+ 1 Should I think about a blast or wait longer
Nice to meet everyone to start, to introduce myself I’m 5’8” 178 lbs 32yo. January of 2025 I started lifting at 130lbs no muscle definition and got on trt because of consistent low T. Around 134-205ng/dl was my test levels at first. Did 80mg/week for 3 months or so and that had me around 800ng/dl. By then I had been researching for years about this stuff and the human body, dieting all that. So I eventually started getting test ug and picked my dose up. I made it to 210mg/week with daily injections so 30mg daily and that’s where I cruised this whole time. Added 2iu of gh daily at the beginning of this year as well. Bloods look great and haven’t had any e2 issues. At 210 my test is around 1600 and e2 is like 50. Currently bulking eating clean 3500 calories a day 500-600g carbs, 180+ protein and 65g or less fats. I’ve been being patient trying to get up to 200 or so and still 15% bf at the very least before blasting but was hoping for some advice. I wanna add a good amount of masteron in as a second driver of anabolism. I know it’s pretty well tolerated. Don’t wanna run primo and lose e2 because my igf1 is actually elevated at the 2iu from natural and don’t want any 19nors. Do yall think I should just wait and keep cruising?
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Pipeliner47Look good. But I wouldn't say masteron is well tolerated and what do you mean at a good amount? I mean hair loss acne prostate issues, hdl
It's good that you've done a lot of research but it really is true about being under %10 bf to even see it's effects, which are primarily hardness dryness and vascularity, which apparently you already have. One of the better benefits is that it raises your tolerance to estrogen sides if you're willing to let e2 creep up a bit. That can be a double-edged sword if you're not dialed in
I'm going to say deca + deadlifts on this one to reach your 200. I bet your metabolism is still a bit high for your age. Either way you look good and that was a nice proper introduction, welcome aboard
Hardness + vascularity are the trademark visual effects on a lean body with masteron, but in any event the suppression of shbg and subsequently higher free testosterone is hard to beat unless you wanna spend a fortune on primo or chew up orals. So even a higher body fat person could benefit on cycle from mast, albeit without the hardness and vascularity.
Agree with the hair loss, prostate, lipids and outrageous acne tho. It's definitely a trade off.
Personally, I've tried mast above and below 12% body fat and it definitely hits way harder when you're lean.
Pipeliner47Very good. I was almost going to mention him adding in a oral but don't want to tempt anything. It's good to be sensible and relax into this lifestyle rather than be too hasty that can make it unenjoyable in too many ways. He knows to be wary of the 19nors which is good that he is inspecting his blood work like that. Don't get me wrong I love this stuff but proviron does the same thing you're talking about much easier to take a pill than inject. Also those two compounds bind to the shbg not really lower it or suppress it. If you're looking to actually lower it, var, winny. But I know what you're saying. I've always said it deadlifts will make or break the body you build up that core and everything else will follow
I’ve been seeing more and more people debating on the idea of mast being just a visual compound and or a compound you can actually build mass with. I’m mainly interested because of the no aromatization and the comparison to test in terms of anabolism. I have seen the impact on hdl but im hoping with mine being in the 50s it won’t drop to much. I was also interested in nandrolone but was worried about sides because my prolactin naturally sits at the top of the range so that’s why I was thinking of not messing with 19nors to fast. I have to eat 3500 calories a week to even gain 1/2lb. Was gonna add calories once im blasting to bring it up to around 1lb once i see how much food i need with that much androgens. Thank you! Appreciate the kind words and advice!
Pipeliner47No prob, I'm sure you'll get something out of it. Typically mast is never used for a bulk, ever. You can definitely still make dry hard keepable gains with it so it just might take some time to add the 22 lb you're looking for. In terms of anabolic, mtor signaling/nitrogen retention, it's pretty weak. Syntex originally developed it and it failed to get the license for anabolic use. Just read some of the studies and it is far better suited for tumor suppression of breast tissue which it got licensed for. It's probably the weakest anabolic out there. It has some activity at the AR but NO activity at the extragenomic pathways. "Misuse" for bulking. It's used for the androgenic effects, contest prep etc.. just remember who you're taking advice from on here. You got guys with thousands of points in karma with zero body pictures. Especially when they obtain all of that clout within a year period lol that's a big problem on these forums. Just do what works for you. Plenty of actual bodybuilders around here, also plenty of playground pals... Anything that's anabolic is going to help in building tissue that's a given. But it's a far cry from something like superdrol which is the king of anabolic and will really add on that mature muscle mass. I'm 47 sitting at 215 w/ 8% bf. No way I would have got here cycling masteron. To most it's an aesthetic steroid that's about it. All steroids work through the same metabolic pathways, they are not dependent on genetics that is absurdity
That's right @TojiZenin, if you want to look like a 50 year old white trash tweaker, then pick who you listen to carefully.
dont ever listen to anyone with any karma. They are idiots. Glad this is settled.
Now I'll go back to the sidelines so ol' pipeliner can finish his mating ritual with you.
Aye ima stay out of all that homie I just want advice on gear. That’s why I just disregard all the random shit talking and move to the information I asked for lol. I’m surely not looking to run deca though atm so I’m fine with what we talked about fr. I am interested in Dhb like I said though because of how good my liver looks
What you think of Dhb? It’s pretty highly anabolic and has minimal sides other than a heavy hit on the liver. My ggt is 14 so I was actually looking at that too. I’ve seen it being used for bulking and a lot of people are happy with the size you can build with it. I don’t want to have to take caber for prolactin control with deca
I highly disagree with Mast being only a visual compound. Mast is anabolic. Not as anabolic as others but it will aid in building tissue.
Choice in compounds ultimately comes down to how they work for you, not how they work for someone else. Over time with some experimentation you’ll find what compounds you enjoy running the most. When you figure that out stick with those and not what some random dudes say on the internet.
Ur body fat and physique are pretty damn dialed in, so as long as bloods permit, fuck ya let it rip. But like @Jockstrap said below, you have already been ripping a mini blast for like a year or so. Free country n all. You wouldn't be the first guy that runs 200/wk test. To be fair it will probably catch up with all of us one day. True TRT is much less. Like 700ish total test on the higher end.
He just wants a cosigner... sorry bro...nope
@Milfpounder
Sometimes I cosign on @randomdude s jokes. I just claim them as my own like a total piece of shit.
I needed to get that off my chest.
Random like the trannys to so...theres that. Lol
Appreciate the reply bro. I think I mite honestly try a blast for 16 weeks and keep a close eye on bloods. I already have mast from Pa just waiting. Then I’ll drop to a real cruise and do my 80mg/week since I know it puts me in the 750-850 range. I know mast won’t put a ton of size on but I’m trying to do this all pretty slowly and build up size before working with heavier compounds if I even ever do
Mast is great if you're lean.
1600 is already on cycle......
I definitely get that but comparing to 90% of what I’ve read even here that’s more of a chill cruise dose. Do people usually go lower for their cruises? I’m already going to be on test my entire life so if I should be cruising at less because it seems like a high number I’m cool with that. I’d just revisit back once I’ve put on more size. My bloods are pretty damn good after all this time.