posted Wed, 06/27/2018 - 10:24
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Running 2 Orals
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I don't personally plan on doing this, this was just more of a curiosity thing on peoples answers to this question. I cruise alot of forums and something I see alot of is people stacking orals. The main combos I've seen are.
1.Winny and Anadrol
2.Winny and Anavar
3.Winny and Tbol
Do these stacks really produce a synergy effect? Do they work well together?
I personally was always under the impression that more isn't always better.
Won't this cause significant damage to the liver because of the toxicity of running 2 orals together.
I'am just curious if I'am right in my assumption that this isn't a good idea. Or if I'am wrong and this can be done with minimal damage to the liver and significant gains to your physique.
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Hmmmm.
This liver self healing shit needs to get too fuck!
What do you think the regeneration process is??
Its the same as when you cut or graze yourself, the body starts fixing it but what happens?
You get scars or even just a bit of munted skin.
Liver is the same but worse, its scar tissue and it never goes away, its stays for life and every time it " regenerates" it gets worse and starts the process again, the liver never fully heals, just forms hard scar tissue patches on an organ that should be soft and supple.
We have our ancillaries for enzymes/ values/ bloods/ bileburin etc etc and we can monitor that and control. Scar tissue build up we have no choice.
Someone stated about how many ppl die from liver issues? Umm fuck loads, maybe not directly from the steroid use but in conjunction with other things, guys are still getting tumors now from using anadrol back in the 80s.
Don't fuck with your liver, blood tests don't show tumors 20 years down the track.
Good luck.
Running oral combo pretty common during a prep, anything other than that I really don't see the point. Most are never really at a low enough BF to distinguish the look that the different orals can impart.
Just run var or winny, really no need to run a combo of them. Pick which one you like. Pretty much do the same thing but winny is more harsh.
If running adrol, just pulse it solo. Adrol will overpower all the others you may be thinking of running with it.
I totally agree!
The liver is a badass organ. you have to really abuse it to get it to fail. Elevated enzymes isn't liver failure.
how many juiceheads have died of liver failure? its the smashed lipids that make orals bad. They reap havoc on the cardiovascular system.
Your probably not going to permanently damage your liver stacking two orals.
long time steroid users die from bad hearts.
Sure you should take caution, and stacking toxic orals can increase risk. But Ive never had liver values stay high.
That being said winny and VAR are cool. But there are safer ways to get the same outcome.
JayD718The liver can be a tough organ, that you can even reverse the damage to in some cases. However, just because your bloodwork may show that your liver enzymes are within the normal range, that doesn't necessarily mean that you have no liver issues and your liver is 100% healthy.
Roughly one third of Americans, go about their daily lives not knowing that they have NAFLD, or Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and many of them have normal liver enzyme levels. To get a real gauge on the health of your liver, you should have a sonogram of the liver performed. Especially, if you're overweight, if you consume a lot of sugar, abuse prescription medications, anabolic steroids, etc.
A good thing to know, is that if caught early enough, a fatty liver is reversible. If not caught early, it can develop into liver failure, or scarring and cirrhosis of the liver, and even death. This is a brand new investigational medication for fatty liver called SR-9238. So, if you've been consuming toxic substances for a long time, it's definitely a good idea to have a sonogram of your liver performed.
I thought NAFLD did elevate enzymes?
Guess I’m gonna have to do some reading.
JayD718Well, it some cases, it cartainly can. However, in others, their bloodwork may show their liver enzymes to be in perectly normal levels. Thats why the only real way to tell if your liver is healthy, is to have a sonogram performed. This way, you can catch it while there's still time to reverse it, before it progresses into a much more serious situation.
I got 25% of people have it, 90% have stage one which is symptom free and wont lead to medical problems.
Also good thing about juice heads , we tend to be healthy, exercise, watch what we eat and get bloods
JayD718Well, 25% or 33%, is still a high percentage of unknowing Americans. And stage one won't lead to serious medical problems if it is discovered and addressed. Or hey, maybe you could just be one of the lucky people in which it does progress into cirrhosis or liver cancer. Not saying you! God forbid!
That is a good point you make about people like us that use juice, and tend to exercise, be healthy, and get frequent bloodwork. But like I said, in many circumstances the bloodwork isn't going to matter if it doesn't show any sign of the ailment. Also, when you really think about it, even though most of us may eat healthy and exercise, I think the different compounds we put in our body override that fact, or at least make it a push, no?
I was once diagnosed with a fatty liver, some years ago. Luckily for me, it was in the very early stages and I was able to reverse it, with diet, exercise, and loosing about 40lbs, some of which was muscle. At that time in my life, I did have some extra fat on my body, and I was consuming lots of saturated fats through eating wat too many of those big protein bars. I don't want to put teir exact name, but you probably know which ones I'm talking about. I would sit down, and eat like 4 or 5 of those as a meal, instead of just one as a meal replacement. But, to this day, I could swear that it was caused by the Melanotan2 that I was taking at the time. I had asked my doctor if the Mt2 could be the cause, and he didn't think so, so I continued using it. Coincidentally, about the same time that I stopped the Mt2, was about the same time that my liver had gotten better. But, who knows. I do stay away from the Mt2 now, just as a precaution. That shit really worked great at giving me a beautiful tan though!
interesting. I'm just going by the leading cause of death in juice heads. its the heart that gets us . its easy to protect the liver and most of us stick to oils after we mature.
I wasn't aware 1/3 of Americans have NAFLD ive only known one person with it my whole life
Drol pulsed at the front end and tbol taper or winny taper is a very effective. So is Provi for the length of a cycle with dbol or drol kicker or anything else for that matter. I just happen to not use many orals anymore. I’d rather run more oils and less orals anyway. I could list other combos I’ve run over the years but it might bring out the Eroids choirboy gang.
Of course it’s not “smart” to run two orals in the same stack but for fuck sake neither is running AAS without a medical reason. Hate to say it but unless your doctor said you have a medical reason to use AAS everyone who is using AAS is behaving recklessly. You can absolutely run two orals during the same cycle if done exactly using the same principle all of you without a doctors diagnosis of trt use when using AAS. Do it within reason, use your brain, use common sense and do it modestly. Use all of the proper supplements and supports. Do your best to mitigate the risks including length of use, staggering and dosage.
Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/intermediate-cyc...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/npp-and-appetite
Choir is only as good as the safety practices performed
Well said amigo ++
A classic: https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/too-much-oral...
Solid
Heaze2016Great post, super interesting. Both of those guys looked like shit after renal failure.
There used to be a pic at the end of a kid with yellow eyes from aas pill use.
Just food for thought...
Are these guys even running test? There’s guys on here posting forums every week that do this.... Never seen one post a picture or bloods. A lot of new guys try to avoid the needle which is a mistake.
Heaze2016In all the forums I read they were running test. But it’s such a popular question that’s asked that Iam sure there are some that aren’t running any. There were to many posts about these combos I couldn’t read them all. Literally 100’s of forum topics on these combos, I couldn’t believe it.
There on here all the time. They usually don’t last long.
RustyhookerI see a complete crash in appetite, sore joints and liver values.
Noone blood tests so without seeing actions, all i see is a loss
and heavy heartburm + cramps
RustyhookerUgh...the lava burp...
Nothing gives me cramps like winny.,
I’m not recommending anyone to do this. However, Winny and var wouldn’t be terrible if kept at lower doses BECAUSE you’re running them together. Eg 20/30 25/25 or 30/30 at most. I wouldn’t go over 60mg MAX in total if someone were gonna do this.
I also wouldn’t do any other combo. It’s the only combo that I could see working well together without being more dangerous than one alone. MAYBE tbol and var if tbol didn’t go over 20mg, but I don’t wanna know what that combos calf and back pumps feel like.
Reason being, Winny isn’t going to kill your liver at 30mg a day (as long as you’re taking your tudca/udca... at least it doesn’t kill mine at that dose with 1g of tudca) and var is the mildest on the liver of all. I’ve had liver values in the 30’s running 50mg of var at the end of 8 weeks (again, with tudca).
We say don’t run 2 orals together, and it’s a good rule of thumb. but in all honesty, as far as the liver’s concerned I’d rather see someone use 25/30 winny/var than 100mg+ of winny alone or 100mg+ of drol like I see some guys doing.
I may get flamed for this, but that’s my opinion IN THEORY. I have never combined two orals myself.
And this is also just my opinion, but pairing drol with another oral is lunacy. Maybe we should tell those guys to pair it with superdrol and/or halo and call the cocktail “natural selection”. Then we won’t have to listen to their stupid ideas anymore.
You could call that the “killer Cocktail”
Lol I like it.
Heaze2016It’s funny you say that, cause the combo I seen the most was the drol and the winny Which I found interesting. So for the hell of it I did a google search on that combo. You wouldn’t believe it, page after page of people doing that combo it was insane.
I hope they don’t end up with a liver that someone smart coulda used.
I wouldn't run them without a base,however I have a very close friend using test cyp at 300 a week and whinny 30 and anavar 30 a day.He loves it.He used super at 20mg a day the first four weeks then just test cyp for four weeks and then the whinny/anavar the last four weeks.He really blew up on the super and test but by week twelve he looked really great and held onto to about 12 lbs.
Heaze2016I should of put that in my post,my screw up, they were all running test along with those combos
I figured as much but in forums today nothing is surprising.My friend held a lot of water while on the test superdrol,but shed it very quickly.
I personally would have just went with anavar and test cyp,but I do not compete.Whinny makes me feel like shit,so I usually steer clear.
The only combo which makes sense for me is var and winny but only pre contest time!
Regarding 2. :
Do these stacks really produce a synergy effect? Do they work well together?
Yes
I personally was always under the impression that more isn't always better.
You're absolutely right, less is more!
Won't this cause significant damage to the liver because of the toxicity of running 2 orals together.
Option two definitely, this combo can also cause liver and heart problems/damage!