posted Sat, 05/14/2022 - 04:02
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What Anabolic steroids raise RBC the “LEAST”? I know EQ & Deca are guilty of raising it up pretty Significantly, but what raises it the least with little impact on RBC. Case studies knowledge or person experience greatly appreciated on these responses. In the future I only want to run(if I run at all) low effecting anabolics on RBC under carefully watched bloods.
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Going to have to stay with low doses no matter what you run since they all raise it and seems to be dose dependent on how much it gets jacked up.
I’m thinking instead of going 200mg a week(pharmacy grade) on TRT for a 1200 Test level. Maybe I’ll do 75/100mg a week & see if it will keep me in 700/800 range & monitored more closely by an Endo.
Living4ThePumpHey pal,
I have the same "issue" where my RBC is sometimes elevated even only on TRT. I freaked out in the beginning too and went donating every few months but let me tell you donating everytime it gets over range will cause the problem to accelerate even faster because the body recognizes that it's losing blood and will make new red blood cells faster and even more again. Also chances are you're crashing four ferritin levels.
I will link a good video where a Doc explains that steroid driven increases in RBC, hemoglobin or hematocrit aren't necesarrily something to worry about. It's called erythrocytosis, but it's different to polycythemia, a condition where these markers are chronically elevated without any steroids. Think of people living at high attitudes. They often have hematocrits in the high 50s, a value where bodybuilders would freak out seeing that on a blood work, and yet these people aren't ill or in danger of a heart attack, stroke etc.
I would try some very beneficial drugs that I would recommend anyone who is using steroids because they are clinically proven. One of them is Telmisartan. A wonderful drug which was designed for blood pressure lowering purposes. But it can knock down hematocrit, red blood count and hemoglobin too. Never had any sides from it, it's a super safe drug and studied perfectly.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-J5kXU-jQ
Hope that helps
Thanx for the info bro…. Currently on Eliquis 5mg morning & 5mg night (blood thinners) because my elevated RBC gave me three blood clots & landed me in the hospital for 6 days. I was giving blood every four months & was due. Donated twice in December, but even w/ the 3 or 4 donations a year I was still on the high end of the scale. Was only doing 200mg a week of TRT. Go figure….Cleaning out for a year & just doing HCG, HMG, Clomid, & Nolva protocol to keep my levels from crashing. Never knew how much blood clots hurt; def don’t want to go thru that again. Glad to have dodged a bullet. They were in better spots for treatment. One by my stomach, one by my spleen & one by my liver.
Living4ThePumpHow high was your RBC and hematocrit when you had the clots ?
RBC 6.49 & Hematocrit 54.9
If I would’ve donated it probably could have saved a visit to the ER, another problem was I was very busy at work & not drinking enough water & missed my Bystolic dose a few days that week traveling. Perfect storm.
I've been looking at getting some Telmisartan for BP lowering purposes as its the med everyone seems to be using these days for that purpose, I didn't realise it could knock down those other things too? Do you rate it over Lisinopril?
I use Bystolic 5mg. Take a half a pill a day 2.5 mg not on cycle & 5mg a day on cycle. Keeps my BP levels lower for sure.
Living4ThePumpI always prefer ARBs over ACE inhibitors due to lower risks and less side effects. There are some studies showing beneficial effects in further reducing blood pressure when combining these 2.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16112244/
Also telmisartan acivates PPAR delta enzyme which brings many other benefits for muscle, heart liver and many more.
Great information, thankyou. I am going to definitely give it a go now more UK sources are stocking it from the looks of things. What dose do you take per day out of interest, I have seen some guys running 80mg/day but that seems pretty high considering they come in 20mg tabs generally?
Living4ThePumpIn my country we have 40mg and 80mg tablets. Dosages used in studies showed effective dosing starting at 40mg. But if you’re on a heavy cycle or a heavier person I would always advise 80mg per day. This dosage is also clinically proven and safe.
TricepatopsAny steroid that was made to help with anemia also dose dependent and each person will probably respond differently.
RustyhookerThe least as in you cant donate or just curious? Good question too!
Rustyhookerhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_androgens_and_anabolic_steroids
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663437/
Suggests that all steroids raise rbc. Of course higher doses will raise them even faster. And some were created to raise rbc.... deca and sickle cell...anadrol and marrow issues-leukemia
Good link bro… Funny because all the doctors; the first question they asked me was if I was on TRT. The general consensus was that they’re seeing it more and more in the hospital from people on TRT & of course the J&J jab. Specially from people doing TRT not under supervision from doctors and not doing a bunch of bloods. I was doing bloods at least 5-6 times a year, but only donating about 3-4 times a year.
Least as in…. Never want to go thru this again! Def staying away from Deca, Adrol, & EQ when I start running gear again next year. Always got stomach aches after 2 /3 weeks that felt very similar to the blood clot pain when running Abombs. Now I’m wondering if it was causing temporary small clots on the veins going to the stomach. Who knows.. Yeah, can’t really donate now that I’m on blood thinners. I remember the question where it asks if you’re on blood thinners or took aspirin a day before on the questions fill out sheet before donating.
RustyhookerTrue true!! That stomach pain was near crippling, felt like i got my ass kicked.