Prone to gyno?
Hi All,
I am a ways away from doing my first cycle, it will be at the earliest Christmas time due to an above average bodyfat level which I am rapidly cutting first.
However, I recently remembered something from when I grew up. When I was about 14/15 I had a small little lump just behind my left nipple if you pressed the nipple down a bit then you could see a bump in the skin. I went to the docs and he said that it was just as I was growing through puberty and it would disappear. It did within 6 months or so and I have never had gyno at all. I know its probably difficult to tell but would this be an indicator that I may be more prone to gyno if I eventually start a cycle after xmas? Or was this just something that a lot of teens go through at a young age, the only reason I ever had it checked was because my mom was very wary of cancer and lumps,etc
I really wish I had asked what exactly the name for it was.
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tread-mWould like to know your age but I agree with much below. Lets say for starters in this day and age of sedintary liefestyles your issue is more and more common. If you look around in public you will notice the kids all have fat on them mostly from video games and cheetos! Lol. What is also a possibilty is you had a fat deposit as opposed to female breast tissue as a result of estrogen. Either way you have to feel your way through the process and the best way to do that is dedicate yourself to diet and training. Once you do cycle you do so with test only for a couple rounds, stay away from dbol entirely until you know later and or resolve the issue. 8kll say this, you are moving too fast IMO. You are talking about jumping into a cycle the second you finish fixing possible yrs of lifestyle that freated bf and may predisposition to gyno if not active gyno semi-remmission if you will. For me you have much to prove to yourself. First yes, get in shape and lose the bf, train hard and dial that diet in. then I think you prove to yourself this is not just a phase and you are in fact determined to achieve in the realm of health and lifesfyle. One of the ways you succedd in running cycles is by proving you can achieve witbout the oils. If you can only achieve with, how will you maintain your gains and achievments? If you can't maintain them then whats the point? Unless older than 35 then we need not discuss more in terms of test use IMO. I tbhink you get to your start point as you have deemed it to be around Christmas and thn start seeing what you can do from there in achievment. If you get it all figured out and hen see you can actually achieve without oil then we don't have to guess if you are ready, we know. From there I like cd's roll below other than I'm not an adex man, its aromasin for me all the way. If older than 35 the conversation changes a bit for me though.
Thank you, some good points.
I feel as though I've been eating clean and exercising well for around a year now so its definitely not a short term phase. I am seriously, seriously looking to go from fatty to ripped. I have lost 70lbs in that time and I have put on some good LBM also but the speed in which I was putting on that muscle has now almost halted( newbie gains probably). People have said I look half the man I was in terms of fat now. I am still a way away from where I want to be but god damn its slow smashing this last 10% to drop to below 15% I feel as though for 6 months i've plateaued despite still eating cleanly to my macros and incorporated resistance training and cardio. Its getting on my nerves how it was so rapid at first and now budging the scales is taking forever...I can work hard all week eating 750 under maintenance daily and incorporate cardio in ( usually 45 minutes a day minimum) and yet one cheat meal at the end of the week will mean the scales just don't move by monday, I don't feel im getting stronger so it cannot be increasing LBM eating that much of a deficit.
I am thinking about heading back onto an ECA stack for a month or two to really smash some LBs up, is there something you can take to reset your tolerance or receptors to caffeine? Something like ketotifen? I initially got burnt out on 600mg of this stuff a day and was tired all the time and my blood pressure had increased a bit, but it was effective for controlling appetite and giving me energy.
I am 27 for the record, the lump I had that I thought could have been similar to gyno was over 10 years ago now.
tread-mFrom here its bloods time. After all your amazing work here lets see where all the valus are and lets get a look at estrogen/SHBG Along with a physical and then we work. You are to the place we cut the last bit and that will rquire some really hard work in the kitchen its time IMO to drive protein cals up and drop carbs waaaay down. Could staircase them until we hit shred mode in terms of carb intake. This will cut fat , boost L?BM and vascualrity as we walk up to the door of oils. Happy to help with the carb manipulation if you need. Very nice work btw..+3 is not enough but there it is.
Thanks, I can get bloods done for free if my GP will refer me. She knows I've dropped a lot of weight and knew immediately when I asked about getting my test levels checked last time that something was up. She literally went " are you supplementing testosterone?", im thinking wow. I then told her about bioforge which is a natural test booster I was taking but as of two days ago i've completed the cycle I was on there. She said she won't refer me while im on that as my levels will be elevated but I want to try again this week.
In terms of carb manipulation, would you think eating say for instance ( just crunching some estimate numbers) that 70g a day in mainly fiberous carbs, 240g ( about l gram per 1 lb bodyweight) of protein and 100g natural fats would be a good way to handle it, or is another approach better?
ty for the +3
tread-mWell I don't count carbs via veggies for example as they are offset 1 for 1 carb for fiber. Thats not to say you can purposely offset a carb via brread etc of course. On direction is taper down as I've seen CD suggest even. Maybe week 1 hit 100 carbs by meal 3 on the 6 meal plan then week 2 -75 by meal 2 then by week 3 hit 50 carbs first meal only and my favorite roll is my meatg and veggies next 5 meals from there. This peels whats left pretty quick for me. Some specifics to be figured in terms of weight vs protein etc but as I carb drop I elevate the recommended protin intake ab ove protocol. Seems to help me continue to achieve l?ean muscle addition and drop fat. The bets part of that even if the scale is not reflecting it, is the recomp that occurs if rollling kitchen and gym proper.
cdaddy7BOOM!!! ;).....As the great one says
cdaddy7I am an Aromasin man myself master tread
cdaddy7I had issues and that is what it will more than likely be for you....Yessir, puberty gyno = predisposed gyno on gear...It is an absolute MUST that you have FIRST letro and caber if you are going to mess with 19nors...It MUST be on board before u start your cycle in case of resistant gyno to the AI you run on cycle...Just consider letro and caber to be like a fire extinguisher, just make sure you have it in case of a fire...Now Arimidex .25 every 3 days is fine but if symptoms start I would close the gap to EOD, and if it persists then increase the dose as needed.....Aromasin is 12.5mg EOD and if you have problems you increase it to 25mg and so on....Now if its not resolving then u get out the fire extinguisher....Be sure to go ahead and start the AI on week one...I usually say no later than week 3 but in your case earlier the better and no worries
AnonJust as cheatnnature said, an ai on cycle should keep gyno in check. Adex at 0.25 eod or aromasin at 12.5 ed is a general guide to go by, judge these doses while on cycle to suit your own tolerance. Research gyno and prevention on the forums here for a more detailed explanation. And dont start your cycle until you are 100% sure on all compounds not just your AI
I don't know of any teenage guy that didn't have something like that. I did, at the time I didn't say shit to my friends, but later found out they all had the same thing happen. I'm pretty sure its a very common thing. Like I said, I had that happen and I haven't had any serious problems with gyno before. One cycle I got the little lumps again but they went away during pct. There are plenty of options for controlling gyno on cycle though.
Many factors play into being gyno prone bodyfat%,pre-existing gyno, and how much your body converts test into estrogen. It really varies from person to person. Do some research around here and there are some great posts about it and very intelligent vets on the site. I would say that since you had a little prob with it during a spike in hormones as a youngster you would have a higher chance of getting gyno. But there are many preventive measures you can take to control it such as an ai like aromasin,exemestane and so on. Just do some research on those and you will learn all u need to know! Good luck.