pin question
Just wondering making my first pin purchase an was wondering if its easier to buy the needles separate from the syringes or an all in one. Reason being is I read a couple articles where people change out the pin from collecting their test and injecting it. Also If you draw blood when you do it you have to re-pin? Would these mean id have to draw all new test or just change the needle?
My cycle part requiring the pins is:
1-10 Test E 500mg/wk E3D 250mg
3-12 hgc 500IU E3D 250IU (same day as test inject)
I plan to order from gpz but trying to figure where to get the bac water for the HCG
For the test I believe I was going to order
25 3 CC Syringe with Needle, 23 G X 1.5" for glute inject. Should I go with 50 just in case?
And for the HCG I was gonna use one of the pins above to draw and mix it
but also order 2 pre-sealed vials (to store it)
and 25 Insulin Syringe with Needle, 29 G X 1/2" 1 CC.
Sorry if it got confusing it was all of the top of my head..
Questions
1.Should I order needles and syringes separate or as 1.
2.Should I order 50 of the 3cc and 50 of the insulins instead of the 25 just incase error?
3.If I draw blood after taking it in do I need to repin with a new needle, hence why I should maybe buy the needles and syringes separate?
Thanks in advance everyone and have a good evening
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here is my final order wondering everyones opinion before I buy it. which one would you choose...
NUMBER 1
Alcohol Prep Pads. 200 per box.
Needle only, 18 G X 1.5"
(Quantity = 25 Count)
Insulin Syringe with Needle, 29 G X 1/2" 1 CC.
(Quantity = 25 Count) $
3 CC Syringe with Needle, 23 G X 1.5"
(Quantity = 50 Count)
10 ML Presealed Vial (Clear)
(Quantity = 2 Count)
Price $27.75
NUMBER 2
Alcohol Prep Pads. 200 per box.
Needle only, 18 G X 1.5"
(Quantity = 25 Count)
Insulin Syringe with Needle, 29 G X 1/2" 1 CC.
(Quantity = 25 Count)
10 ML Presealed Vial (Clear)
(Quantity = 2 Count)
Needle only, 23 G X 1.5"
(Quantity = 50 Count)
Syringe only, 5 CC.
(Quantity = 25 Count)
Price $30.25
would I still be fine with a 5cc and just filling to 1 CC for the 250 mg pin? That way interchanging the needles would be A LOT easier
bump before I order?!
dansta123actually saw a bit of the rubber on the tip of the 18g the other day..always shoot with a 23g..like all of said before draw with a 18g change over to a 23g unless you like the feeling of sticking nails in your skin aswell..
Hey mate I would personaly change the pin after drawing up. As Tread said using a 23 is no prob. Do your self a favour and change pins after drawing up as you can get rubber particulates in the bevel of the pick then inject them into the muscle. Then there is a possibility of an infection setting in. As for the HCG you can use a 25 for that and it should pass through no probs as well.
Jw for anyone who does the hcg do you used a presealed 10ml vial or a 20ml. They are out of 20 so im kind of forced to get a 10 since im diluting with 10ml bac water
awesome guys this was great help wish I could give Karma to everyone!Thank you!
Nasty81NateYou can, just click the 'helpful' or 'cool' tags on the bottom of the comments that helped you out,
Anonhttp://www.healthwarehouse.com/needles-syringes/disposable-syringes
^ Try them, they have everything you'll need, they are great and I get my stuff 3 days after ordering(Midwest US). 100 25g 3cc 1.5" for $19.00!
I learned the hard way - now I know...
It is definitely MUCH easier to draw w/ an 18 G than the 23 G or 25 G - definitely grab some extras. Plus when you punch it in to draw you will dull the needle a bit.
Personal preference - I like a fresh needle myself.. so it slides right in'
I stick myself sometimes and hit a nerve or just get a dull needle and dump the needle. I have extras - I think I grabbed 100 or so pins and needles on the first order.
Lastly I think I have pins and needles from 3 sources now and they have all been interchangeable. I think that is the norm? not sure though.
Question:
what do you guys think is the right needle for a delt pin? 23 G 1 inch or ?
tread-mM I see that a lot where people use an 18 to draw that have trouble and I'm sure you are but have to ask, are you putting equal amount of air in with each pull from the bottle to equaliize pressure? Probably so but I just dont have any trouble drawing with a 23. It takes about 30 seconds so if that is what you mean when compared to the 18 then yes but just checking. And as Greg said, I also use 23G 1" for delts but have used 1.5's before. The delt is a lot bigger than most think and you being a big guy yours are probably as big as mine so if you ever ran out and only had glute pins left you can use it and just drop it an inch or all the way as I have. Plenty of meat there on a bigger guy.
tread-mDP
I've used 23g 1" on the delt with no problems
Awesome! thank you.. Does anyone know if getpinz needles are interchangeable? That way I can just order like 75 of the 3cc and if something somehow happens i can just replace the needle from another syringe/needle? sorry if im over complicating it I just want to do it right the first time!
I purchased about 75 3cc/21g 1 1/2" pins included. I use it straight out of the package to draw.
On the side I also purchased:
75 total = 23g 1.5" (for Glutes)
75 total = 25g 1" (delts,quads)
box of alcohol prep wipes.
I thought gathering stuff would be difficult but. GPZ descrete and 3-4 day shipping EVERY TIME. UPS.
some time ago I was running low on supplies and decided to try a 25g 1.5" for the glutes. It works but god what a big mistake. trying to reach around and holding it for so long. . I immediately went back to using the 23g for glutes. I don't even know what made me try it because I never ever get any pain out of glute pins.
Awesome reply guys! I had 1 question when im ordering the needles and syringes separate I ordered 50 25g 1.5" needles now im ordering 50 syringes but the lowest they have is 5 cc.. will that still be fine for drawing and injecting? thanks for all the replies and help! Also does anyone know a good site for bac water?
AnonI would buy the syringes with a 18g (thats your pull needle) then buy a pack of 25g 1.5's for pinning. That way you can use em to pin everything deep or more shallow ie: delts (glutes, delts, quads are the only ones I include in my rotations and are all easy and painless)
Changing pin is personal preference but I would always swap. Just good habit imo for not just sharpness but sterility.
Since yer new to pinning yer muscle is virgin so you will most likely get some pretty good PIP, just remember it goes away after a couple weeks. The limping will be worth it
Eric090585i always swap out pins..but that's just me...and it's only a few bucks for an extra 25 needles,so why not?
if you draw up blood just pull it out and repin elsewhere..some people just pull the needle out a mm or 2 and hope that they're outta the vein, but i don't like to risk it.
insulin needles are fine to pull the HCG/HGH and inject with..barely even feel the poke.
Nasty81NateThe hardest part about the first pin is the mental aspect. It ain't shit once you get it behind you.
My first time pinning I was pretty nervous, then it went in easy and painless, now I dont even think about it, hitting a nerve is the worst pain I have had, and that wasnt that bad at all in the quad, just felt strange.
I always buy the syringes with needles, just make sure there detachable. The main reason people switch out needles is when they pull more than one compound into a syringe. so it would be one needle to pull the juice, then switch needle to inject. with you running a test only cycle i wouldnt worry about swapping needles after pulling from the vial, its not gonna dull it enough to really worry about it. Pulling blood is pretty damn rare (atleast in my case) but when i have pulled blood, i just pull it out and re pin, never really worried about swapping the needle. Hope this helps and answers your questions. P.s try not to think to much into your first pin, it will mess with you more then the actual pin itself.