PCT for Deca/Test/Winny Cycle
Hey Guys,
New to the forum. Been looking on here for tips to further educate myself for a while now....figured it was time to sign up and post for myself. Just looking for some good clean advice....so please don't slander me lol. Below are my stats.
25yrs Old Male, 225lbs, body fat 17% (was a long winter here in CT) Working out seriously for 10yrs.
Started my 4th cycle just 3 weeks ago.
Week 1-18 Test E 600mgs a week
Week 1-16 Deca 300mgs a week
Possibly Winny or Anavar on Week 10-16 (Winny 50mgs ed/Var 80mgs ed)
Previous cycles have been Test E only @ 500mgs a week for 10 Weeks, Sustanon 600mgs a week for 12 weeks with Dbol to jump start, and Sust 700mgs with droll to jump start for 16 weeks.
Currently, my diet is as follows.....
Breakfast
8 egg whites (dash of pepper only)
Chiobani yogurt
Scoop of Peanutbutter or handful of Almonds
Snack:
2 scoops whey protein
Lunch:
1 whole chicken breast (low sodium seasoned)
some steamed veggies (dash of pepper)
Pre workout snack:
Apple with peanut butter, or hummus and low carb wrap, or some strawberries
Dinner:
2 scoops whey protein after workout
2 filets of Swai (white meat fish, low in fat)
1 small baked potato(little salt and pepper)
Sauteed veggies (no oil, just some spray oil and seasoning)
Some of my workout stats are as follows (no need to provide all info unless requested i guess)
Monday - Shoulders
Tues - Back
Weds - Legs
Thurs - Bi's Tri's
Friday - Chest
*****Cardio 4 days a week for 20 mins at med-high intensity
Goals:
Put one some nice muscle mass, gain some vascularity, and lower my bf%. I know that choosing deca for this cycle to reduce my bf% is not the best choice, but while on my last cycle i developed some terrible tennis elbow which basically messed up my entire cycle last summer. Hurt so bad i could barely brush my teeth or put on deodorant. I figure a good diet and some cardio will help combat any significant bloat....also i heard th win or var will help.
Just to gauge my strength a bit....Bench is 275lbs for 10 reps clean, Dumbbell flies are 55lb dumbbells for 10 reps, Lat pulldown is 210lbs for 10 reps, Seated Rows is 195lbs for 10 reps, shoulder press is 90lb dumbbells for 10reps, Squat is 275lbs for 10 reps (yes i know my legs need some work)...Arms are strong enough lol
So basically I've been doing a shit load of research on PCT for the cycle I'm doing, however there are so many different opinions out there that its just becoming confusing to me. Can someone please provide some input into PCT options for me! In the past the only real side effects that i have ever gotten was some acne on my back...and by some i mean a good amount. Never any gyno....never any erectile dysfunction.
Also, if anyone would like to provide some constructive criticism in my diet or ever cycle, please feel free to do so. Thanks in advance guys.
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@Beltabuser @the impassable any suggestions on diet adjustments? Want to try and stay lean while gaining mass. Sounds redundant....i mean thats everyones goal right lol. I know sounds unrealistic to some degree, but want to try and achieve that as much as possible. Any suggestions how to reduce body fat%. seems like I'm reaching a wall here. Var or win with a good diet work????
@jimmie Could you consolidate your thoughts into a more structured regimen. Which Ai's? Dosages? Length to use? Would be greatly appreciated! Also, how much does bloodwork cost? Insurance covered or no? Thanks again
See the "reply" on the upper right corner....
If you click on my name, then cycles, you'll see how I'm using the certain compounds.
Click on the "search" tool up top, looks like a ping pong paddle. There's a ton of threads on everything you're asking about including bloodwork. Basically bloods are about 50-70 bucks plus maybe 20ish for prolactin, I think... privatemdlabs.com... there's a bunch of them, just do a search. Insurance will cover it if you're going through a doctor, but then might drop you if they find out you're on aas.
Thanks for the reply guys. Sorry not to clarify....i assumed that it was already understood that Nolva/clomid would be incorporated post cycle for minimum of 4 weeks. Have heard a lot of different things about running HCG during cycle as well as using Arimidex. Research has confused me quite a bit. I decided not to run anything while on cycle. Just want to know what else i should run beside climbed/nolva post cycle.
Also, 1st cycle i ran was when i was 23 yrs old. Usually space out my cycles at a min of 6 months. I thing I've spaced out my cycles enough.
The hpta doesn't fully form until about the age of 25, that's why it's best to wait to start cycling until after that. But what's done is done, 6 months being completely off is good.
Arimidex is good on cycle, if you need it. How do you know if you need it? Best way to tell is blood tests. Having high testosterone will cause higher levels of aromatisizing to estrogen, higher levels of bodyfat will increase that more so. I will also not cycle without proviron.
You still have said nothing about an anti prolactin.
HCG imo is good while on cycle.
You can take a look at my latest cycle log to see how I think hcg and ai's and pct should look
man, You really eating that clean on about a gram of hormones a week? Eat more bro. Even if you're trying to lose bf, protein synthesis is going to be high. Throw in more carbs around lunch and around workout.
Agreed. You don't seem to be eating to reach your goals, break out those macros-I promise you you're not hitting the intake you think you are. And if you're trying to put on mass, you're going to need to increase that intake.
At only 25 and on your 4th cycle I hope you have taken very long breaks between cycles. But I digest...
I'm curious as to what you know about on cycle support and pct at this point. Do you get bloodwork? Do you use an aromatase inhibitor? Do you have an anti-prolactin on hand? Do you plan on cycling hcg or blasting it at all? What have you used as a pct?
At 3 weeks into this cycle you should think about getting bloodwork within the next week to check your estrogen and prolactin levels, and I suppose your testosterone levels too to make sure your gear is legit. You should have an a/i and a/p on hand to combat high estro/prolactin and get bloods a couple weeks later to adjust those doses.
I would recommend cycling hcg during such a suppressive cycle and a blast at the end before pct.
There is "standard pct" parrotted here on eroids and variations thereof which can be found easily, consisting of mainly clomid/nolva for 4 weeks at 100/40 100/40 50/20 50/20. Can be longer, toremefine and/ or exemstane can be used.
After you are finished with cycle and before you decide to cycle again, think about your HPTA. Take a lot of time off. Time on plus pct should be the minimum time off. Get blood tests again and see if your own hormones are doing what they should. And get all your drugs on hand before starting another cycle. You should not have this question after already starting injections.
AnonThanks for actually taking the time to lay all this out, most people are too lazy when asking for help.
As to your question, what do you think would be good for pct? Maybe if you put down what you are thinking we can help you make any adjustments if necessary. Are you taking anything for estrogen and prolactin control? Since this is your first time running deca I would like to know what you have planned to control sides should any arise.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYou type faster than me.... :-P
AnonYou typed more than I did ;-P Solid advice though.