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+ 12 No levels/No Points A thoughtful approach to a new point system

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Firstly, I am extremely proud to be a member of this site and will never be able fully repay BFG and all the members before me, however, I will always try to make this community better.

This post is concerning our karma system and members points. I believe karma is a great bonus and helps to get members involved, dont we all want to reach expert level (I sure do). However, after seeing how karma can be abused and manipulated, I believe its time for a different approach. Also keep in mind, no system will be bulletproof, people who want to abuse the system will always find a way to do so.

(Disclaimer) I am proud to be a level 3 member but I'm even prouder to celebrate my 3rd year on Eroids this fall. I am sure 95% of the members do not abuse their karma or its benefits.

My approach: No more points and levels as it currently exists. Instead under each avi will be 3 numbers which represent years as a member, reviews written and pics uploaded. So if a member is brand new under his/her avi would read

0 0 0

However in the case of a member who has been here for 4 years and has written 15 reviews and submitted 50 pics, the numbers under that avi would read

4 15 50

Good idea? Maybe or Maybe not. I came to this approach for a few reasons.

Years as a member (First point shown under avi). I believe time is a crucial element in being a member here. We need to be invested in order to understand the community. Years as a member is a number you cannot fake. The number is a accurate representation of your time as a member here on Eroids.

Reviews written (Second point value shown under an avi). Honestly, I believe this to be the most important of all the numbers. We can all purchase gear and get in on promos but how many of us know how to write a review that is concise, thoughtful and informative. Does the number(shown) of reviews written differentiate between a good and bad review? No. However, it is a number that shows a member took time to wrote a review of the products he/she has used.

Pics uploaded (Third number shown under avi). This number is a representation of the pics a member has uploaded. Again, this shows an investment within the community.

Would up voting still exist? Yes but you would earn no points for a thumbs up. Conversely, you would lose no points for a thumbs down.

How would we find trolls? MODS would tag trolls as they currently do.

I have a concern that a few people come here and within a few months (usually 8-12 months) these members have become level 3 or advanced members in a fairly short amount of time. My system of points would eliminate that problem. Upvoting would no longer be allowed to change a members' status level. Instead, members would be encouraged to write reviews and add pics. My approach would also eliminate the circles which occur at times, where members get together and upvote each others posts/comments/pics in order to achieve a higher karma point total.

Does my system has flaws? Probably, and feel free to contribute your thoughts/suggestions/opinions.

Is this system bulletproof against fraud? Not at all, but I think its a strong system.

I am no means attempting to say what were doing currently as far as points is wrong and/or bad. I just think like all things in life we need to tweak our system sightly.

Thanks for reading

Gymjunkie01's picture

Who was the asshole that neged this post????? Really

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Gymjunkie01's picture

i agree with that it would be a good thought. it just pisses me off that people will negg you and not show there face and tell you why they negged you at least. chicken shit if you ask me..your a good dude and i apreciate your post buddha

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Makwa's picture

The concept is interesting but I think the karma system is working just fine. Yeah there are some people abusing the system but no matter what system is in place some people will try to take advantage of it. Thankfully the mods do a good job and the karma whores are weeded out and dealt with accordingly. When considering advice from someone their karma level draws me in at first. Then I see what other info they have posted and what compounds etc they are familiar with. Just trying to get an overall picture of their background and experience. Here is a thought, what about adding those numbers you suggested under the Karma. It kind of would be just another piece of intel to get more info at a glance on a member.

keepitreal's picture

I think the combination of details would make sorting through information when researching much easier

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Big Pimp Daddy's picture

I think it's fine the way it is really. I've seen a few people who had their karma shooting up real high real fast and then I see them a few days later and they have 50, 100 or sometimes ALL of their karma gone. The mods catch on to the people who are karma whoring and take care of it with either a dock in karma or a ban. So don't worry about when you see someone's karma going up way high way fast because if you notice it then so will a mod and it will be taken care of.

Gymjunkie01's picture

There will be people that will always find a way to manipulate the system no matter what it is but usually those people do not last long IMO. They usally find a way of getting banned. +1 i think it's good to have debates and different views

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Where would this leave the likes of people like me after all the blood,sweat and tears i have put into the board?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I understand your thinking bro i think its a good post.............. comments should bring the answers you desire i think. +3 for thinking about how to help eroids and end the BS that we are all accustomed to lately.

CBBurrr's picture

the user named WhyNot is a prime example, We joined about the same time, but the guy has just shot up in the rankings, It's not from pics either. He just posts tons of useful info. I think he works at a TRT clinic or something.

CBBurrr's picture

current system seems to work pretty good. Karma whores face the wrath, and guys that post great info shoot up quickly.
But you still get a plus one for the thought you've put into this.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

of course............ +3 lol

Big13's picture

You have good points but one could find a weakness in each of your three new ratings number method.
1st number: there have been numerous random posts lately by people(2011, 2012 members) asking where certain sources are in opem forum; not calling them out just saying we shouldnt seek wisdom from some that cant read and follow simple rules...im also not saying that members from 2011,2012 dont have more knowledge or exp then most just talking about the few lazy ones that started a membership three years ago and only come on once and a while that would be promoted in your new system.

2: reviews: great idea no way to measure its accuracy. How do we know who is using what and when they are using it and how accurate are the results???...at least in the current system you can search a few pages through a sources reviews and see 20 post from noobs or transcient buyers that say its "fire!"..to say a buddhabody who is a lvl 3 and you can look at his pics and see he is ripoed and pictures of shit he buys to differentiate between what reviews are shills, just bs, and honest all on your own.
3: pictures. This can be the most abused increase there is. One could add a pic daily of each of his bottles to improve..not saying that someone showing daily improvement pics is not an investment in the community, because it is and should be incouraged, but and there is always a but people abuse the system.

Just saying these are some issues i came up with.

I like our current system its easy for me to tell who i want to listen to upon what they write: for example if a lvl 3 is giving bad advice to a noob the mods punish or let them know its wrong...so this really solves the whole guy been here for 3 months and is a lvl 2 or lvl 3 and cant be looked up too...God bless him for putting in the dillegence with his workouts and here at our site that made them a lvl2/3...i have been here since july'13 and i love it whatever system we use or not im still gonna be here everyday just like the gym and just like my diet ; the show goes on.

Just my opinion

Big13's picture

Like i said im here to the end no matter what system we use.:) ...+1 for you taking the time to put some thing together to better our community whether they take it and run with it or not.