+ 5 LIQUID ORALS----REALLY??????
It's very hard for me to believe that AAS users actually pay for and use liquid oral gear! Even more scary is the fact that some of the sites that sell this crap are rated in the “Top Ten”.
What is the world coming to?
Well if you actually use this stuff don't forget to shake it up really good and hope that the exact amount of milligrams end up in your 1ml dropper! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny!
In light of the above, imagine if too much of the clen ends up in your dropper of “Liquid Clen”. Well more than the bottle will be shaking.
As far as the product itself goes, at least half or more will be wasted if it is real cuz you stomach acids will destroy it. The same applies for capsules.
Liquid orals are an insult to your intelligence. First it tells you the source can't' afford a capsule filling machine! They aren't expensive folks! And they surely can't afford tablet making equipment and don't have the expertise to use it!
Tablets are the best way to consume orals, and with steroids it is always best to place them under your tongue and let them slowly dissolve so you get maximum effect of the sub-lingual absorption! Well made tablets will dissolve slowly, poorly made ones will melt quickly!
Assuming the ingredients are legit any tablet is superior to a capsule. Liquid orals shouldn't be considered. But do as you will.
I hate to say this but if you spill capsules or tablets on the floor or table you know you can still eat them and will. But if you knock over a bottle of oral Anavar or DBOL are you really gonna lick the floor?
Since this got a lot of negative feedback, let me try clear something up. This post wasn't about the effectiveness of liquids it was about the credibility if a source can't afford equipment. Also note that many of the liquid oral sources have a limited selection of.injectables.
The point was to protect you against start ups or sources with limited resources that are riskier investments for your money.
I gues I didn't communicate it well, and for that i apologize!
2/28/15 UPDATE:
I'd like to thank all of you who commented below. What started out as a well intentioned article turned into a controversial piece due to my inept communication skills.
However, we have all benefited from the dialog and that includes me. I have learned a lot from the comments; and that is a good thing!
Maybe our Politicians in Washington could take a lesson from a bunch of luncks (lol) who can articulate their views and disagree while still getting along and using it for the common good!
JM
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You too Rusty!
Where the hell did you concoct this argument?
I better shake my Nyquil, I wouldn't want to get all the medicine at once.
You realize that orals, capsules or tablets are solids that need to be mixed for consistency. Easier to mix a liquid than a solid. Furthermore, a liquid can be absorbed sublingually as well. Not all substances absorb very well sublingually; dissolves in your mouth, but ends up in your stomach with your saliva.
What the F?? Don't buy capsules because the source can't afford a capsule machine? How did the capsules get filled? I'm insulted that you think that liquid orals are an insult to my intelligence.
Not true. Pills designed to be placed sublingually dissolve very quickly, Nitroglycerine for example. Some pills are even Effervescent.
I would suggest putting down the bong and picking up a book.
With all due respect you are comparing apples to Oranges. Nyquil and baby Tylenol tto AAS.
Second you are missing the point of this article...this is an "OP-ED" piece! It is my opinion not a documented researched article.
The opinion being that anyone can throw some powder in a bottle and sell it. The point about the source not being able to afford a capsule machine was an error. OBVIOUSLY! I am correcting it.
I meant if a source can't afford a capsule filling machine who sells liquis orals that may men something about their stability and credibility!
There's a lot of assumptions on your part.
No where in your post does it state, "In my Opinion" you sell everything as fact including the comment, "Well made tablets will dissolve slowly, poorly made ones will melt quickly!" Which simply is not true.
The assumption that placing a tab under your tongue without consideration of the compound being used will all be absorbed sublingually is a mistake.
The assumption that a source can not afford a pill press or capsule filler which range in price from $25 dollars to just under $1000 is also a stretch.
I can understand and agree to the last paragraph or two of your edit. New sources which appear to have limited resources and stock may be a higher risk.
I agree that this was poorly written and expressed on my part! Should have said "In my opinion" for sure!
I never meant to claim that sub-lingual absorption is 100%. But again I did not make it clear. Absorption through any mucous membrane is usually higher than the upper GI tract. But the on;y way 100mg=100mg delivered is an IM or IV needle.
It does scare me that low end capsule fillers are so cheap and yet it seems easier and less time consuming to throw stuff in a huge gallon or two gallon container and then shake it up with liquid and fill 30 ml bottles.
Sadly the last paragraph edit was what this was really supposed to be about, but i didn't convey the message. Well live and learn.
Thanks Greg
Plz read my reply to Greg thx
Not sure what your motives are but the last time I read something you posted you used that thread to redirect someone to a bunch of your threads. Maybe you have a look at me look at me complex. Blah blah blah.
I can tell that you care about people which is why you post it but it seems like you have an agenda behind it.
Maybe I'm wrong it's just my.02
Anabolics 10th edition states that "injectable forms of the drug(winstrol) are expected to have, milligram for milligram, a greater anabolic effect than oral" (442). This is the case for winstrol, but I'm not sure for other orals. Also says since a lot of winni was vet grade it will clog 22 gauge and over, but you can take injectable forms orally if you're getting these big particles and get pip
Upjohn 30mL/50mg Winny V. We used to drink it like Sweet-T. That and Fort Dodge 50mg/50mL EQ would make a good fightn rooster.....so I've heard anyway.
I addressed this exact point in an earlier reply. 100 mg Im =100 mg delivered and nothing else does.
However for Winny you can use a wider gauge and suffer the PIP.
I thought I had read to the contrary so I had to look it up and you were indeed correct.
i have used an injectable form of orals now, or should i say oral drugs such as dbol and anadrol are now popular in injectable form. i have to admit i never was keen on the liquid orals because they were mostly ALL chem research companies, i never seen anabolic drug companies making them, you know the names, i would just see tons of these chem names and im sorry if there was steroids in them they would be deemed steroids and would be illegal period, that simple, not a research chem, it WOULD BE A STEROID. so i stayed away, i think i had one real one before it tasted like broken pills all little pieces in my mouth and my doses were all screwy.
i stick with the real deal, and now im really liking the injectable versions of dbol and anadrol, they work fast !! when i get more karma i will tell you where i bought them.
thank you
There is nothing that delivers like a needle/ 100mgs delivers 100 mgs. But if you're taking an oral I prefer professional looking tabs over home made stuff. You kinda usually get what you pay for.
I'm not sure these are facts. It would suck to spread rumors. Maybe you should reference some articles or studies that back up these statements. I surely would be interested in reading up on this
There is a no need for research in this case.It's just common sense.
If this is common sense tell me why the most effective dbol I ever had was an oral. It just seems like your slamming products and sources and I don't agree that liquid is inferior because of my experience. Grrl seemed to be slightly offended and I can see why. But more so if you go slamming products or sources that carry these products I think it's only fare to show some proof.
I am actually a fan of liquid oral, I squirt them under my tongue and let them absorb sub-lingually and no mysterious random fillers to deal with. And I can totally understand why a SRC would go this route, pressing and capping is tedious fkn work! Its def easier to drop a cpl grams in a vial, fill it (with whatever they choose to use) cap it and move on
I love liquid orals. The best dbol I ever had was liquid. It threw 20 lbs on me quick and tasted like root beer. I guess you have to get it from a good source just like anything else. It's way easier to dose 3 or four times a day with liquid. At the same time is like to point out that I won some liquid winny from a different source and it wasn't done well. It was in something that tasted like rubbing alcohol and the chunks in it were so big you couldn't get it into the dropper.
I never use droppers I pull into a syringe so my dose is as close to spot on as I can... Many srcs use grain alcohol (everclear) to suspend orals because (as mentioned) alcohol goes straight to blood) tastes like ass but nothing a lil chaser won't fix LOL... Also I like the fact the many oral compounds settle so its easy to eyeball amount of product to gauge if properly and evenly dosed
I'm not saying if it real stuff it doesn't work. I'm saying the sources that do this simply are usually but not always unreliable, have no resources etc.
Pharma AAS don't make liquid orals. That should be a hint!
RustyhookerCheque drops came from a pharmacy. Test from pharmacy was even used as a nasal spray. It failed but it was another.
Let's not get into corticosteroids. They're in suspension from hospital.
Wish I wasn't driving....
http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/mobileart-rx.asp?drug=ciprodex&monotyp...
Lots of medicines are made in oral as well as pills and caps. They make pills and caps for user convenience, accurate dosing and to avoid the nasty taste.
Most children medicines are liquid orals because childern can't yet swallow a pill. I had my jaw wired shut for 8 weeks. All my medicines came in liquid form. Antibiotics, pain killers, and so on. If there is a need for liquid oral aas in legit medicine there would be a supplier.
Pharmacies let you pick what flavor you want. I've gotten medicine for my kids that they suspend in liquid and let you choose the flavor. It's practically every time they need some medicine
Read my post to Catkinson...sublingual provides higher absorption than caps. Liquid orals if legit and administered slowly do provide sublingual. But I'll simply put a tab under my tongue while others shake and keep putting three drops at a time. lol
There are uses for liquids in pediatric medicine when k=ids can't swallow pills, but its not a good analogy to Oral Anabolic's!
I'm sure they could make chewable tablets if the liquid wasn't effective at administering the proper dose. Children as small as they are would be more sensitive to fluctuations in doses than an adult. It seems like you are being pretty stubborn.
that's a pretty big blanket statement and claim to make without any facts to back it up. Pharma AAS doesn't make EQ either or Tren ... They don't make Halo or methyltest or .....
This isn't about product selection. It's about quality control. I can throw powder into some liquid and sell liquid orals. And if i did it right it might be effective.
There are some effective liquid orals I'm sure. But like i said don't drop or spill it, and guarantee the mg/ml after shaking?
Caps are ok if legit, but just my opinion Tabs are better because of the sub-lingual absorption.
That's not what you said in the post I quoted. I was just asking for some factual basis for the statements you made. Following it up by saying Pharma AAS doesn't make liquid orals is irrelevant bc by the same argument you can say (and I did) that they (Pharma) don't make a lot of things that UGL's make. You can get shitty tabs if they don't mix the base correctly or put the additives in it to keep them from falling apart so to say Tabs are the be all and end all of orals, well they can be made pretty damn shitty, if not done right
I think we are saying the same thing! It's all about what's in the product. My claim is that overall I'd go with caps or Tabs. Those who sell liquid orals other than the Peptide companies seem to have much more limited selections even on injectables. But there are exceptions of course.
I totally agree on the shitty tabs. I mentioned it. I'm sure a a legit liquid oral is better than a crappy tab that contains little active ingredient. But that's not the discussion.
The premise is that the better UGL labs at least offers caps as you do. I've seen em come and go here as you have, but I'm a little more reticent when I see something I can make.
I used to "drink" injectable water based Winny. I know I wasn't absorbing the total 50/100mgs but it seemed to work. It beat pinning it since it always "crystallized" in the needle.
You can absolutely drink water based Winny or Test and it will be about a 50% absorption rate. I've had Winny inj clog needles also, but if you go to a wider gauge needle it should go through. However the wider the gauge the more PIP.
Interesting about the part of letting the oral dissolve. A expeireince vet/ pro told me I was wasting my oral by dissolving undervtongue. I truly believe this is the best way but he swayed my opinion when he told me otherwise. I'm confused as shit now lol
Look it up! Sublingual is absorbed directly into the blood through the mucus membranes. Swallow as little as possible, but a some always is. But swallowing the entire pill is like saying bye bye to half of it.
HCL in your tummy will destroy a good bit of it.
See this is what I believe to b truth also but this guy that everyone on our si page sucks up to straight up made me feel stupid and wasteful to dissolve. Thank you for this info.
Same hahaha now im confused. And Im about to take a freakin midterm. Might just head butt the goofy ass teacher
So you think to let the tabs melt under the tongue? Even adex and caber? Or is that only for oral roids?
Any tablet you put under the tongue is better absorbed than through the GI tract. But for Caber and AI its personal choice cuz your taking Caber and AI's only a couple of times a week whereas ROIDS you will usually take at least multiple times ed.
Ok so just keep it under the tongue and then swallow whatever's left? Or drink some water im very curious about this now. On 50mg tbol split am/pm and will be on var 1-50mg tab morning and 3-10mg split over rest of day. So I want max absorption.
Only time I felt liquid orals were superior to tabs were the ones suspended in cyclodextrin. Theres a source here that sells his orals in cyclodextrin, other than that tabs are superior. Try some methyltest or halo in cyclodex, holy shit it hits you hard.
That's one source and apparently legit. But many of these are bunk and a warning. I'm simply leery of anyone who can't afford equipment.
At the same time one would think these guys that are selling liquid orals should be charging way less that the tab guys since they don't have an expensive press and all the extra labor that comes with that route.
raws still cost the same .. time still costs ... risk has a cost ...
Not to mention a Tablet Press can sometimes bring unwanted attention. Gotta fly under the radar.
Exactly !!!
Good point. My bad.
Definitely see what your saying, there are sources here using outdated methods for their orals because they are too cheap or ignorant to invest in a pill presser, then claim liquid is the way to go...f*** that.
people demand a product the business world will produce it .. ... I wouldn't call that cheap or ignorant I call it good business