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When people first began training, especially resistance training, when they start to see results; the natural desire is to see more! Therefore, a lot of people fall into the trap where they begin to think that doing more exercise will logically get more results.

This scenario described above is very common, and very natural. However it is a fallacy. Unfortunately, it works the reverse way. Doing too much exercise can be harmful, and will impede progress. As hard as this may be to believe; it is very true!

The physiology behind it is fairly simple. As we are working out, especially during resistance training; we are in the anabolic mode. While we exercise our bodies are burning glycogen, or blood sugar for energy. As we keep exercising, our stores of glycogen diminish. If we keep exercising for a prolonged period of time, blood sugar drops to very low levels. Although this may be good when doing cardio, it has the reverse effect during resistance training.

Low blood sugar levels will cause our body to give off cortisol hormones such as adrenaline, and nor epinephrine. The effects of these hormones, is to put our body in a catabolic state.

The idea of resistance training is to build additional lean tissue. This can only be achieved when we are in an anabolic state. Therefore, working out for a period of time, which is too long, ends up burning muscle tissue instead of building it.

Young kids tend to be especially guilty of doing this. They get into the “more is better” syndrome very quickly. However, common sense would tell us that if more really was better; everybody could build 20 inch biceps by repeatedly curling weights for hours.

In the world the fitness, the scenario described above is officially known as over training. The smartest and best bodybuilders understand that the quickest way to results is to perform a fast and intense workout. The results come from the intensity and not the duration.

The length of time of an ideal workout will vary from individual to individual, and should be determined your experience. AAS users have a slight advantage in that the extra hormones we inject keep us anabolic for a bit longer.

The proper length of your workout is determined by your health, age, physical condition, and the actual workout itself. The idea is to stay anabolic for as long as possible. When the catabolic feelings set in it's time to pack up and get some carbs.

There is approximately a 30 minute window to get carbs ingested after a workout to avoid catabolism and muscle burning.

One of the reasons that athletes today are bigger and stronger and faster, is that they have gotten away from the more is better philosophy. Years ago, people just spent too much time in the gym. As simple as all this seems, just a few years ago, it was not understood.

Athletes would do two full body workouts a day of two hours each. Today, those in the know, work each body part once a week. Science has shown us that it takes a muscle seven days to fully recover. Gear users have the advantage of working a muscle part several times a week as recovery is faster.

Although much of this seems very simple, many people are totally unaware. Over training leads to failure and frustration, and many people are literally working their way out of the gym, and back into a sedentary lifestyle. If they were aware of the fact that they were failing because they were doing too much; they would be shocked.

As far as intensity goes, common sense is in order. Obviously, we are not talking about intensity to the point of insanity. Use common sense and stay anabolic!

growthman's picture

+1 good post

johnmarshall12's picture

TY!

Sam I Am's picture

I agree with about everything except the once a week. Twice a week on each body part works best for me. Calves and forearms 4 times. Good thread +2

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press1's picture

So how many pieces of equipment have you actually got at home in the 2 gyms then buddy?

0newheelup's picture

Very nice read.. +1. This makes me feel better. I'm always thinking I need more time and days in the gym. I only wo 3x's a week @ 1hr sessions. 4x's when I'm isolating muscles @ 45min sessions. My body always reacts great and recovers nicely. So I must be alright. Thanks brother.

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johnmarshall12's picture

Hi Rusty;If you look carefully the article does state that if you use AAS you can work muscle parts more than once a week! It's hard to se though I didn't stress it enough.

press1's picture

With steroids it just means when you are training you are using heavier loads - But without them you can still easily hit the same bodyparts twice a week and recover properly. I did it all the time when I trained naturally..

Ozninjaguy's picture

Lol. I'm just going to +1 that simply because I'm fan of good sarcasm and/or seemingly guileless comments..

press1's picture

500mg Test a week honestly - that's all thats needed Hahaha ;) Just watched Larry wheels latest PR vid of him inclining 605 - Just insane. 10 Adrol for breakfast....

BootyGear's picture

Totally agree. With in a week of switching my programming I already notice I’m responding much better. Don’t get me wrong I love killing it long ours in the gym but now my workout is maybe an hour - 90 mins including cardio or abs / cavs.

Armwrestlingfiend's picture

Nice post. There is a guy I work with who says he works out for 4 hours a night. I didn’t say anything to him about it but was thinking maybe that’s why he’s looked the same for the past few years haha.

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Ozninjaguy's picture

Yeah - there's a couple of guys who go to my gym. They workout for 3 hours. I have watched them. Do a set - sit on a bench and txt or scroll Facebook for 10 minutes, do another set, then have a 15 minute chat to the other losers...do a set, then watch TV for 15 minutes. Add up their alleged 'workout' time and it's about 30 minutes ...tops.

I wanted to use a bench that some shithead was sitting on and txting. He said: "I have another set." I said: "Go sit on another bench and txt. I'll be finished before you are." He didn't like it....but he moved his fat arse.

Armwrestlingfiend's picture

That’s fucken ridiculous can’t stand those people. I don’t even work out with my brother because I’m there to move weight and don’t even want to be bothered with conversation haha. That’s why I like going super early or super late to avoid the gym lounging peeps and those people that have their girlfriend video them while they’re moving two plates never understand that.

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Ozninjaguy's picture

I understand mate. I had a good friend here and we used to train together, but he got lazy and only wanted to do short sets and a lot of talking. I go to the gym for a purpose and it's not to stand around talking shit. He just couldn't keep up anymore. I eventually started going at a different time so we didn't train together. He took it pretty well - no harsh words or arguments. He knew we were on different training commitment levels. It's actually really difficult to find a serious training partner - that's why over the 36 years of gym training I have only had maybe 3 training partners. Lot's of guys have asked to train with me, but after I have observed them in the gym its like...nah...no thanks.

press1's picture

It doesn't take 7 days for a bodypart to heal and recover, it takes between 48 to 72 hours. 48 hours for ATP levels to be fully restored. Thats why a bodypart will become much stronger when trained twice per week instead of just once. A recent experiment I read proved training a bodypart 3 times a week such as legs/squats provided the best peak in strength but that for me personally would be just too much, the amount of anabolics and protein intake required would be very large I imagine.

Christophany's picture

45--60 minutes in the gym, 3--4 X total, is all that is needed each week for all muscles to be adequately worked. Intensity in the gym is necessary to achieve maximal results; however, so is the adequate period of rest that follows. People should be instinctive, up to a point, and listen to what their bodies are telling them. If they worked out chest and rested for several days, they should not work chest again if it feels like the muscle has not recovered. However, most people seem not to be in tune with what their bodies are telling them. + for a decent post.

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Ozninjaguy's picture

+1 on the post bro - some good commonsense info in there.

However, "There is approximately a 30 minute window to get carbs ingested after a workout to avoid catabolism and muscle burning" is a very contentious comment. This theory has been debunked by researchers, but for some reason, it is still repeated by almost everyone who goes to a gym. The attached article is long but puts when to eat/train in a little perspective.

Extract from paper: 'Tipton et al. [65] showed that the ingestion of 20 g whey taken immediately pre-exercise elevated muscular uptake of amino acids to 4.4 times pre-exercise resting levels during exercise, and did not return to baseline levels until 3 hours post-exercise. These data indicate that even minimal-to-moderate pre-exercise EAA or high-quality protein taken immediately before resistance training is capable of sustaining amino acid delivery into the post-exercise period. Given this scenario, immediate post-exercise protein dosing for the aim of mitigating catabolism seems redundant'.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577439/

0newheelup's picture

That is a long article, thanks for posting. I tried to read as much as I cld on my lunch break but I'll have to try again later. Question... So I fuel (carb) up throughout the day and usually 2hrs prior and with a pre workout protein shake. So I can hold off my post meal till a cpl hours after?? I have been rushing home to refuel because all I had was a 30-45min window.

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kodiakGRRL's picture

you've got it covered with protein in your preworkout ... which we would interpret as right before and possibly during the first half of your workout

Ozninjaguy's picture

From my literal interpretation of the extract I posted, I would be taking (and already do take) whey just before I hit the gym - 'immediately before exercise' has been stated twice, so it would seem that there is an emphasis on taking EAAs and or whey at this time. I think taking your shake 2 hours before will pretty much require you to have some post workout EAAs or whey protein to reduce the catabolic effect on muscles.

johnmarshall12's picture

Good comment! This is one reason I recommend ingesting BCAA's during as workout!