posted Wed, 10/15/2025 - 07:27
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+ 1 Labs Came back, Estradiol is 280!!
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This is my first Tren cycle so started very low and moving up. As I move the Tren A up I bring Test P down. I am on week 4 when got my labs back. This is the highest I have ever seen my estrogen. For some reason they didn't test my prolactin. Assuming is stupid but Im gonna assume since my Estrogen is so high then so is my prolactin. Especially when my last labs my estrogen was a little high, and my prolactin was 41.1ng/ml and estrogen was 48pg/nl
Can I have some mid cycle advice as I have aro, adex, and caber on hand?
Cycle:
| Test P (EOD) | Tren A (EOD) | Caber .25mg | Aro 12.5mg or Adex 1mg (both on hand) | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 75mg | 25mg | |||
| 50mg | 50mg | |||
| 25mg | 75mg | |||
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AlysiaYeohDude, 280 is pretty high for estrogen. I've heard Tren can mess with the standard estrogen tests and give false readings, so you might want to look into getting an ultra-sensitive test to be sure. But, hey, if you're feeling good and seeing gains, that's something.
I saw you're adjusting your doses – Test P at 140mg/wk, Tren A at 280mg/wk, Aromasin twice a week, and Caber twice a week too? Sounds like a solid plan. Definitely retest those labs in a couple weeks to see how things are leveling out. Keep an eye on how you're feeling too, that's just as important as the numbers. Good luck getting everything dialed in!
You have to run the ultra sensitive estrogen test, Tren shows up as estrogen on the standard test.
Sensitive estrogen assays are necessary to get accurate estradiol measurement during trenbolone use.
No man boobs here. I ain’t crying, I feel just fine. I already feel a major difference in my strength. Just wanted advice or the reason why my estrogen could be that high. Now I have been educated and will be taking the correct labs. I’m can take constructive criticism. But overall I feel good.
And I didn’t start this blast without caber, Aromasin, and adex. I prefer Aromasin but had adex on hand just in case.
Switching from EOD to ED for test and tren.
Test P 20mg/ED (140mg/wk)
Tren A 40mg/ED (280mg/wk)
Aromasin 6.75mg x 2/wk
Caber .125mg x 2/wk
Retest my labs and see if I need to make any adjustments.
Let me go ahead and add my PCT;
HCG - TBD
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/100/50/50/50
Nice tits. No homo
Keep at it bro. Us smaller fellas have an uphill battle with food and our fast ass metabolism. At 31, what makes you jump off completely and pct? Looking to make some babies?
Nah, ain’t got no kids by now. I never will. lol. Step kids are enough for me. So your suggesting to cruise after this?
Not necessarily a suggestion but if you dont want to have kids and you plan on blasting again in the future, why hop off? If cruise is the route you take, you will maintain more gains alongside a decent diet. Its a big choice to make so do your research.
Haha. I’m 32 with no kids.. atleast that I don’t know about. So I could cruise after. 200mg test /wk?
Up to you. I run 175 on cruise. It would help you keep some of those hard earned gains, that's for sure. Of course diet and all that good stuff too help most.
Same question here. 30+ just take the TRT dive for most dudes. Even if trying to have kids hcg can keep almost everyone fertile even while on and is ridiculously cheap whether SRCing online or script. Even if you don’t or take a break dosing- you’d be surprised how many guys can get production restarted enough to achieve pregnancy if/when they decide to have kiddos. Too much loss and unnecessary stress on the body constantly blasting/PCTing/cruising/etc.
I’ve seen countless times people just research the fun drugs and then use whatever cookie cutter PCT they find which ends up grown ass men crying in their beds face deep in a bowl of ice cream watching the notebook and wondering why they’re losing all their progress so fast LOL! PCT drugs aren’t anything to mess around with.
Hcg is expensive as a motherfucker if getting it legally lol. I called everywhere and the cheapest I could find it was $190 for about a 6 week supply. But sourcing it online is super cheap. If you know of a way to get it legally for cheap with a script, let me know.
No insurance I’m guessing? My endo is great. I get it compounded but I also work in the industry so had a bridge built.
Little secret is to have them send it in to your insurance under urology and not fertility and it cuts costs exorbitantly.
I still get my hcg and test scripts for extra stock and fallback I know is legit, but overall yes UGL will save you a ton if you’re just trying to use GoodRx instead of insurance or don’t have a doc that will write generics or compounding.
The relationship I’ve built with my current endo is both professional and personal and he truly has my best interests in mind. He has been with me through addiction, try to restart my natural test production for approx. 2 years with tons of drugs, and guiding me on TRT/bloodwork.
I would definitely recommend finding an endocrinologist or urologist that specializes in hormones as many of them still practice and preach cookie cutter regiments from their 30 year old medical textbooks and know nothing about the current state of knowledge.
I’m going to send you a message brother!
My TRT doc refuses to send in the PA my insurance requested for HCG. They have an office wide policy to not do PAs. It’s total bullshit. So ya it’s cash pay for HCG. Compounded was the cheapest I found for $190. The chain pharmacies were even more expensive.
Aside from that Im really happy with my TRT doc. She’s knowledgeable and i like the way she approaches TRT. They accept insurance so my appointments and bloodwork are dirt cheap, as is my test script.
Yea tbh I hope I’m not gonna have to come off completely to get back fertility that would suckkkkkkkkkkkkk
It fucking blows dude. I came off after 6ish years of B&C. It wasn’t just to get my wife pregnant, I had other reasons. But my sex drive was completely non existent. At the same time i supposed to be fucking my wife everyday. It felt like a chore. Would have been awesome to stay on and knock her up. All I can think about is sex when my test levels are where they should be. I would have been in heaven getting to have sex every day lol.
So definitely try first before coming off. It can take a few months trying even with the healthiest swimmers so no pregnancy after the first month does not mean you have a problem. Our first took 2 months and our 2nd took about 3-4 months.
HCG while on will help you maintain fertility. A month or so before you guys plan to start trying start on Clomid as well and take that until your wife is pregnant. If you find your low in sperm count or whatever you can also add HMG before you give up and come off.
I take it year round on TRT and cycles with different dosages to maintain estro. Have stayed fertile and keep decent healthy swimmers even with cycling and being on lifelong TRT. I did used to PCT and started hcg when I finally got on TRT though.
You took the wrong test. Wrong test reads tren as e2. False reading
Wow
Hahaha
Ranger3252Your Estrogen is definitely not that high. Labcorp Eclia testing and with running tren it will come back insanely high. If your estrogen levels are that high you could sell breast milk on the black market and make super babies!
Ranger3252What a great fucking show
Hard agree ^
Retarded ass advice here. Keep your tren at 50mg eod, 100mg ed is just ridiculous advice for a first time tren user. 50mg eod is plenty and not a baby dose by far. Especially if you're only 165lbs. You don't need tren at 165 lbs. You need food.
That’s not exactly how it works, brother. Dosage tolerance isn’t defined by bodyweight … it’s defined by response, experience, and management. 100 mg ED might be reckless for someone unprepared, but it’s not “ridiculous” in advanced protocols.(anything with 19nor could be considered adv IMHO) Many seasoned users run that comfortably when their training, diet, and support are dialed in.
What’s actually dumb advice is assuming one-size-fits-all when we’re talking about a compound as unpredictable as Tren.
Food builds size … Tren changes composition. Two completely different tools.
You don’t have to like it, but don’t confuse “not for you” with “bad advice.”
@DavosD on point!!
Lmao thank you brother. I'm glad you're still here.
100mg tren a day!!!! Wohoo you're running more than some open pros. Bro ain't no way you don't feel like dog poop.
Lmao right??? Some pro's aren't even running tren. The classic bodybuilders sure as hell weren't using tren.
Low does tren is all the rage may have to jump on
Some instead of pushing my other compounds up..
150 is sounding tempting!
If you got bloods done at Labcorp, they use the ECLIA test for estrogen, this particular test will cause tren to come up as some ridiculously high estrogen number, when in reality it’s no where near that.
Just like dieselsemi said. Tren will come up as estro...
So stop fucking around and increase that tren dose to 100mg a day. Add some Proviron or a little masteron and you'll feel just fine.
Finally some educated person. I was trying to explain few years ago to couple of idiots
https://www.eroids.com/pics/driada-medical-ternbolone-enanthate
Rather than help you chose the come on without your adex to cry?
Oh trust me makwa the guy who commented is not a “couple of idiots”… dude has more trophies than shelves in his home.
I don’t think they were arguing with you and just overlooked it my man.
Not ALL lab tests will show tren as high estro, but specific ones will. In this case ECLIA uses antibodies that can’t distinguish estro from tren- binds lots of tren and in turn skyrockets result.
The post you linked you seem to be saying that since you got a high E2 number the tren is working, but that shouldn’t be how you gauge if your “tren is working” imo.
I agree, big Mikey and Dieselsemi … I’d raise the tren to at least 80-100 ED and masteron(I rather mast e but is hard to find nowadays so mast p ED) at least 300-400mg a week or Proviron, and I would go adjusting TEST progressively or keep that thing not to high but not too low… in this setup too, but let’s be real for a sec…
Most guys still think Tren’s a damn demon in a bottle like it’s gonna turn you into a psycho the second you pin it. So they tiptoe around with baby doses, blame it for every bad dream and mood swing, and then go online preaching it’s “evil incarnate,” lol.
There’s so much garbage info floating around that it basically turned into gospel at this point. But honestly? Maybe that’s a good thing. Tren ain’t for beginners or for people guessing doses off Reddit screenshots. If you don’t understand at least the basics of pharmacology, diet, recovery, and bloodwork, you got no business touching 19-nors, period.
They better stick with Test. It’s bioidentical, easy to manage, and way safer long term. The second you add a 19-nor like Tren or Deca, you’re not just “cycling,” you’re manipulating multiple hormonal pathways … prolactin, progesterone, dopamine, and all that fucking jazz.
Most of the horror stories come from dudes running garbage protocols with no structure, no ancillaries, and no clue what they’re doing. Then they crash and come back crying for help trying to fix what they blew up.
Do your homework before you pin. Prevention > repair every damn time.
Time to brush up on my pharmacology…
Of course bro
1g test 1g mast 1g Tren
Dr. Loyd
Ah yes. I've been running that protocol for years. keeps the hairline STRONG.
LOL yeah, the holy trinity: test, tren, mast …guaranteed to build muscle and increase scalp ventilation
Tren will cross detect as E2 on non sensitive testing
Get sensitive lcms testing
Exactly.
You need Anastrozole, it works better and will keep your estrogen in check by taking it once or twice a week. You could take a caber if you think your prolactin is high but really it's kind of rare for prolactin to cause issues, it's usually estrogen. Also your hematocrit is high so you need to drink lots of water and think about donating blood or cutting your cycle down.
When i ran tren a i was told you need to inject everyday not eod. No gyno? That estradiol is crazy high. I would start ai but have no clue on dosage amount for that high number.