posted Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:57
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Just curious
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I've been lifting weights only for about 5 years now, and learning more n more everyday. Started experimenting with gear last 2 years. Sites like this has helped tremendously in learning different cycles and gear. I always wondered what type of gear and in what quantity do the pros run in order to look the way they do?
I'm 32 years old, 6'1" and weigh around 230 and without gear i dont think it would've ever been possible! Lol!
But i see these pros weighing in around 280+ in off season..they must be on tremendous amount of gear! I know diet has alot to do with it but still!
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Long ago one champ was complaining that his winnings for the show simply coveted his gear to get there. $12,000. Wow!
Perusing this board I couldn't help but notice the constant references to "cycles" with relatively low levels of testosterone, complaints about how testosterone makes you look "puffy," how other anabolics are so much superior to testosterone and even read someone suggest trenbolone as a first cycle.
If you have zero interest in becoming a successful bodybuilder then by all means pursue drug stacks with low - or zero - testosterone.
The fact of the matter is testosterone is the single most important drug in bodybuilding. First off, the concept of "cycles" is a terrible idea if you are trying to develop an outstanding physique. Do not ever come off testosterone, this should be common sense. You need higher testosterone levels than the human male will naturally produce to maintain - and obviously build - an impressive amount of muscle mass. A typical pro (or any successful bodybuilder for that matter) would have an offseason drug stack based around the "blast and cruise" concept. For example:
Weeks 1-12
4,000mg testosterone in various esters
200mg TNE pre workout
100mg dbol pre workout
100mg anadrol pre workout
1,050mg trenbolone acetate per week
2,000mg equipoise
1,050mg npp
1,000mg deca durabolin
32iu serostim daily
IM 15iu humalog prior to every meal
IM 30iu humalog prior to training
120mcg IGF-1 injected bilaterally in muscles trained
Weeks 13-16
2,000mg testosterone in various esters
16iu serostim daily
1,000mg equipoise
1,000mg deca durabolin
REPEAT to some degree, changing varying drug doses etc.
The point is that testosterone is necessary in large doses to promote muscle growth and size and to maintain that same muscle. In fact, there are a number of current pros whose off season drugs are simply testosterone, deca, hgh and insulin. Trenbolone, equipoise, etc. often have an extremely amplified effect on metabolism and make it harder to gain weight when testosterone assists in letting most nutrients go into muscular (and yes, fat) storage.
The biggest bodybuilders are on the most testosterone, end of story.
The bottom line is that average users of anabolic steroids use FAR less than IFBB pros and those aspirng to be one. At 32, you're nearing your BB prime, but also nearing the point at which your body will begin to respond with less vigor. Years of hard brutal training are also going to dictate that you require higher doses as well. I routinely run 4,000 total mg. of total androgens per week simply due to the fact that I've beaten my body for 30 years.
Thank you! Thats exactly the type of information i was looking for! I'm training currently in hopes of doing my first show this august. Given my body type and muscle mass i will compete in the mens physique category. I dont think i could even afford anywhere near the amounts the pros are using lol.
PLEASE don't look at the compounds and amounts that I have posted and see that as a cycle-----at 32 and still relatively new to the gear-game, you may simply (probably) need to increase dosages. My first 9 or 10 months on gear I thought I had underdosed compounds----only to realize that at 48 and 30 years of lifting required that I used much higher doses. I had built 18" arms at relatively lean 5'6" 25 years before I ever touched steroids.
But a some point if you plan on competing with the big boys, you will need radical drug regimens---and that includes synthol now if you want to make noise in the IFBB.
LOL....shit has gotten out of hand...lol
Oh ok..yes at first i was thinking of them as a cycle. I do probably need to increase my dosages and i'm going with a couple of different compounds this go round that i have'nt used before. So i'm thinking i should see surprising results. And yes 'shit' has gotten out of hand lol never thought these guys would be using insulin as means of growing dramatically..i thought it was all gear.
Insulin is the most anabolic, muscle building substance you can put in your body, including steroids-----but also the most dangerous by far. Be careful with that shit....it will kill you grave-yard dead with one little mistake.
I wont be experimenting with insulin anytime soon, or without extensive research into doing it properly.
yeah man, there was a post on here somewhere about the type of cycles the pros run, it's crazy!
hopefully someone posts it lol.