Is Fake Deca Still a Common Thing?
This is my first forum post, though I've got a few reviews up since joining. I'm glad I found this place.
Here is what I've gleaned from reading a lot of older eroids and forum posts (don't worry, no SARMs forums or reddit!): Fake deca, in particular, was common for a number of years because: Deca costs "twice as much" per gram to synthesize; the common reagent test kit produces virtually identical color results for ND and Test E; and it shows up as T in bloodwork and is difficult (or expensive) to reasonably distinguish unless you're having dick problems, lipids are off, erythropoiesis and/or prolactin are up, etc. in ways you wouldn't expect from just test.
First, is my premise even right? Was fake deca fairly common? Or is it still? I'm skeptical of the numbers ("twice as expensive" sounds a little too neat), but I am a bit uncomfortable seeing deca 250 selling for not much more than test 250 at some places. I think there's an economic case to be made for selling deca with a smaller profit margin than more popular oils like test E/C (which people buy a lot more of) in order to have competitive oil pricing across the board. I'm not sure if most vendors think along those lines, though.
Is deca something I need to be even more vigilant about, even when going with top sources, or are those days past?
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This is a response to the guy below but I wanted to make it a general response
That is true and its an easy thing to say but its not so easy to practice, Pharma packaging and labeling can be faked just like anything else.
In truth how many actual pharmaceutical AAS are left available?? Primo and Sust basically are the only ones you can find, I cant remember the last time I saw Pharma Deca250. Bold and Tren were never pharma produced in the first place there veterinarian grade, DHB, Mast you gonna show me some pharma grade in either? What about orals Anavar, winstrol, tbol, Dbol or any of the methyl orals in Pharma grade where please show me? Anadrol I guess can still be found but is it really Pharma grade?
Testosterone's are still available in Pharma grade along with Primo and Sust which is just a mix of test, so really its just Primo that is left. So the old stick to Pharma grade idea is dead we are at the mercy of UGL's at least when it comes to aas.
Alphamale500You make some very good points. I just wanted to add that pharma grade gear/meds are the most heavily counterfeited and faked products of all, as I'm sure most of us know!
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yes sir they sure are, pharmaceutical grade is a myth from the golden age of bodybuilding in Arnold's day.
Those guys had access to all the Pharmaceutical grade AAS, but now here we all are in the modern age at the complete mercy of UGL's.
Alphamale500The member below @johnmarshall12, made an excellent point about finding a reliable source! That really is key. Once you have a reputable source that you can trust, you don't even have to worry about these issues. And there are many reputable sources that you can find on this site.
And btw, your whole post sounds like some conspiracy theory type bullshit, and your so called facts are way off! It's full of false information.
Never, and I mean never trust a source. Regardless of how many successful orders you’ve had or results you’ve gotten from the gear. I’ve gotten deca that was test. I’ve also gotten plain oil in a vial. When I’ve questioned the source. It’s always “no way that could never happen” or “sorry we had a mix up that only effected a few orders”... Sources come and go in a hot minute and same goes for the quality of their product.
Alphamale500I hear what you're saying, but I'm kinda on the fence with this. Probably all of us have had those type of things happen to us at one time or another. I know I have. But if you're in this lifestyle and buying gear on a regular basis, you're gonna have to find a src that you can trust over others to an extent. But I do understand what you mean. I guess it just comes with the territory in this lifestyle. There certainly are sources that are much more trustworthy than others.
But as for having enough trust in a src to know I'm gonna get the correct compound or a vial that's not just plain oil, I have to say I do have that trust in my go-to sources. And I'm 100% sure there are other reputable sources are eroids as well. So you don't have a single source which you can trust?
Assuming 10ml vials. A kilo of raw will produce 400 vials of 250mg/mg. So price difference between the 2 raws divided by 400,..........
Or $10 a vial more for ND over TestE equals $4000 more income from ND.
Tron+2 ....
I haven't seen the raw pricing myself, but it sounds like ND isn't "twice as expensive" to produce. Thanks!
I purposely left pricing out of the answer, so as not to encourage foolish actions and planning.
Ahh, ok. I wasn't sure if the hypothetical income difference was based on equal pricing of raws because the two compounds happen to cost roughly the same in bulk, or because you left it for me to factor in the price. Now I see. Everything else from the source and the reviews here checks out and the price difference isn't too weird, so I'll relax. Thanks for the clarification.
The key is to find a reliable source; one that you have confidence in. That way you'll know you're getting th real thing!
Alphamale500Absolutely! +
Molinin302Can one of the more educated members help? Granted my degree is in nuclear medicine from a community college, but I think I had a stroke halfway through this. Sorry, but not sorry?
TronCheck out KMC'S post above ^^^
Shit, am I that bad? Sorry kinda.
Molinin302No, not really, I just have a short attend span. It's easier to post what you're doing and you'll get some really good advice from the guys that know.just keep it simple, advice is here. Even from rustyhooker, he promised Vietnamese midget encounters, but regardless, can't put a price on the advice. And for one of the things in your post, no. It's bad or good. No legit UGL will ever mix more expensive stock base with cheaper or vice versa. Just look at your shoulders, when the weird acne pops up, you're there. (Then fix that)
Thanks man, that's good advice throughout. As for the topic post, it is pretty bad. I completely rewrote it three times and that was somehow as short as I could get it. I used to write for a living, something shitty happened, and, well, you see the evidence above of the kind of tripe I'm capable of writing these days.
Working on it, though.
I appreciate all the responses so far! It took me a while to figure out I need to follow individual users here and not just default to top 10... I don't have reason to believe my deca is fake and I won't be in the position to make verifiable claims months down the road either way.
As a few guys said below- Deca is just as easy to fake as any other injectable. All it takes is a multi-dose vial, label and oil.
Stick to reputable sources that have been around here for a long time with consistently positive reviews from long time members and you shouldn't have any issues.
I don’t know how people buy fake deca with this site around. Read the reviews
This is what I did--read 20-something pages of reviews. I just read too much other stuff since then and got a little paranoid. Bloodwork in a couple weeks and I probably need to raise my AI dose before then since that might have something to do with it!
All it takes is a fake label and oil.
RustyhookerAge: 34
Height: 5'10
Weight: 170
BF:
Eat real meat. Forget the deca
The op has a legit post for a discussion smh.
Maybe you should leave up a full body pic before you comment this on every single post there is....throwing stones in a glass house
LMFAO stop picking on my boy Hooker!
Just for you
RustyhookerI forgot.... cosigning is the new 2020. My bad
Lol there was nothing to co-sign smart ass and your comment had nothing to do with that. Everything to do with being condescending when you have no right
RustyhookerRedirection has never been condescending. If you think dude needs a stack at those stats then feel free to post a cycle up!
Id bet a proper set of macros and a dash of test puts him to proper mass faster and safer.
Sarcasm so thick it needs explanation? Back 10yrs ago....folks like me, vike, nitty, etc etc would see a lost fellow on here and redirect him. Find out his goals, priors, experience. But just throwing broscience out there siunds a lot more like those other websites. Might as well hire that giramaldi dude up in here.
He has just as much right to be an ass as anyone. We don't need any PC correct, cancel culture activist, to dictate who has the right to be a cynical ass or not.
If Rusty wants to be the biggest shortest ass on eroids, that is his right (within the eroids rules, bylaws, and no homo statutes of course).
I haven’t seen you in a while greggy! I know you’ve been watching though. Bahaha hahahahaha
cool.
Lmao.
DobermannIve gotten fakes a few times,with that being said i only buy from a few places on eroids.
Do ur research bro,there are great srs for quality oils and orals but u gotta do the reaearch
Any thing can be faked in this game and often is! Ugl and pharma fakes! Buyer beware. Do research! Even with research that is still not a guarantee. Only way to be a 100% is a have a script from a doctor.
I’ve unfortunately purchased fake deca this year, so it is still around. Pharma is always best for a reason..