How much Primo to use first time?
Hi everyone,
I have done two cycles in the past. First a 12 week cycle of 300 titrating up to 500 mg/week of test E only. Then a 12 week cycle of 500 --> 800 mg test E only. I want my next cycle to be test E and Primobolan (injectable). Based on research I want to start at a 2:1 ratio of test E to primo, and titrate the primo up until my estradiol is in normal range. I was thinking of starting at 600mg test E and 300mg primo.
What do you guys think, lower the test E a little because I'm adding primo? Or keep the 800mg of test E from the last cycle and use 400mg of primo?
Edit: I was on 100 mg/week of prescription test C TRT before I ever started cycling. Off cycle now I go down to 120 mg/week TRT.
My bloodwork at 800mg test E/week:
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL >3000 ng/dL
ESTRADIOL 120 pg/mL
Metrics:
203lb ~12% bf
weightlift for 1 hr/day for 5 or 6 days / week.
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Sure, it's best to try Primo solo the first time to understand how your body reacts to it. But in a combo, I’d prefer 500–600 mg of Testosterone and 400 mg of Primo per week.
You’ve chosen one of the more complicated ways of сycle administration (if the main goal of using Primobolan is to control estradiol levels). The primary Primobolan function is its anabolic effect with very moderate side effects. For most athletes, an effective dosage starts at 500 mg per week (250 mg twice a week). Use Primobolan based on these properties rather than as a tool to manipulate E2 levels (that’s what aromatase inhibitors are for).
I believe trying to regulate E2 with two long esters, each having opposite effects on E2 levels while simultaneously increasing the dosages of both compounds, is an unnecessarily. I don't see any reason of overcomplicating things like this for a third cycle.
This is a good question.
My friend and his athlete/power style of focus implemented something like this, with good results.
He would have referred to it as the "SPEEDY ELITE" stack.
175-200 Primo E/week
10 Anavar/Day
100 Test/Week
He was very strong, and had an impressive weighted sled sprint.
How didn’t his estro crash? Primo always crashes my estro
Actually, he had mentioned that in our conversations - sides of low E ; if I remember correctly he usually ran 4-5 week cycles, with the anavar for only 2-3 weeks and adjusted his test and primo according to those sides. He also performed regular bloodwork for accurate reading.
If its real....was a website that was tied to a hospital that tested and posted pics and results of every chem regardless. Primo was found in many cases to be mixes of anything BUT primo.
500mg test with 25mg provi. Fix your diet. Do bloods. Lift improvements
My first cycle was 500 test c, it went pretty decent. Second cycle was 350 test p with provi and some var for the last 4 weeks. The difference in results, even before starting the var, was massive. I put on more size and strength in less time on a lower dose of test. Some of that was getting my diet and training more dialed in but I really felt like the provi and the short ester let the test shine in a way that it didn't in my first cycle. Just my two cents here but I think that test+provi should be the standard for second cycles, especially if you maybe feel you didn’t quite get everything you could have out of your first.
Sbgh. Thats the super sonic secret that orals unravel for you. Nothing wrong with test provi imo as long as the user gets blood test so theyre in a decent range. Soon as you free up test the e2 is converted as well. Low e2 stops your gains and too high has its effects on water retention, bp etc. Good provi is a sweet kick
Lol that was my second cycle back in the days. Proviron is so underrated for beginners. It makes test just so much more effective.
I second this advice!!
When i got started i ran test only a few times. Then ran winny aq first 4 weeks and noticed a bit of an edge. Researched it and switched to last 4 weeks til pct started. Discovered the sbgh reduction and free test boost was quite dramatic. And did well on pharmecy test at just 300mg. Lil tricks help a lot! And lil or no sides is a big bonus
Nothing, try 750mg test only or 500mg test with 200mg primo. You went from 500mg to 800mg test on your 2nd cycle and now you're thinking about doing 1.2g of anabolics in your third cycle. At this rate you'll be hitting 3g of gear on your 6th cycle.
800mg of test on your 2nd cycle is already a bit excessive.
200lbs at 12% bf and 6'2 in height doesn't warrant 1.2g of gear. Those are stats a natural lifter has at that height.
Thanks for the advice. I should have mentioned I was on 100 mg/week of prescription test C TRT for over a year before I started doing cycles. Between cycles I now do 120 mg/week of test C.
I want to keep my cycle doses as low as I can but I plateaued in strength very quicky at 300mg test and had to keep bumping it up in 50mg increments. When I did 500mg next cycle I saw no strength gains the first 4 weeks, and kept having to titrate up until I hit 800mg. I count my calories and I always try bumping calories up before PED doses, but that tended to just add fat on me.
My bloodwork at 800mg test E/week:
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL >3000 ng/dL
ESTRADIOL 120 pg/mL
Despite the horribly high estradiol I don't have any gyno, BP was fine, and mentally feel fine so I wasn't worried about it. But now I wonder if the high estradiol was diminishing my strength and muscle gain.
Estrogen and steroids are synergistic, so no high estrogen isn't going to stop you from gaining muscle and strenght.
300mg a week is a good start for a 1st time primo.. Iv personally used 300mg a week with 500mg testosterone enanthate with very good results.. I found running it 10-12 weeks with decent enough results