Horrible Prop PIP
I've been injecting 100mg Test Prop EOD for 3 weeks now as a kicker to my Enanthate (just came in) and i've been near crippled by the PIP. I've done alot of research into PIP and preventing it, but I'm still hurting like crazy! Here's my injection protocol:
-heat up my muscle group (rotate between quads and glutes) with heating pad prior to injection ~15 - 20 minutes
-bring prop to slightly above room temperature in warm water
-swab site, vial, etc
-super slow injection ~2 mins!!
-take hot shower immediately following injection
-apply heating pad to injection site for 2 hours after shower
I'm rotating between both quads and glutes, they aren't virgin muscles to this anymore. Could it just be the gear that is a little rough? Should I adjust my protocol? Help me out brothers, opinions / advice!
Don't think its needed for this post but here are stats:
Weight: 206lbs
Height: 6'1"
BF: 10%
Age: 21
This is my first cycle: 12 week enanthate with 2 week prop kicker (turned into 3 cus i had a delay in gear)
PCT: nolva / clomid
AI: aromasin 6.25 mg ed
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The whole having a needle in you for 2 minutes could be part of the issue. I've just done my first 2 prop pins last week and the first time had regular minimal pip like I get from cyp and after pinning last night I woke up today with suprisingly no pip at all. I notice I tend to shake some when I pin so I do it as quick as possible so Im not in my quad moving the needle tearing stuff up for long. I also take 2 aleve before bed because it is an anti inflammatory and pip usually hits the next morning, and after my first pin I woke up the next day feeling shitty from possible test flu so I wanted to be ready for it this time.
Thanks for the pointers. Definitely going to look into adding more oil too...
WithdrawlDo that man, I'll bet it will solve your problem. I have the same issue and diluting it half and half with some sterile oil makes it totally painless for me. Night and day difference.
I've got several cycles under my belt, my latest cycle of Test E, Tren A and EQ as well as hgh every day.
I also bought several vials of Prop 250 to use as a kicker... The prop was killing me bro!
The pip was absolutely debilitating! I mean I literally couldn't move... the pain was so severe it was literally giving me a fever!
I could hardly make it to work, and my workouts were complete shit!
After the 4th EOD injection, I cut out the prop and everything was back to normal... No more pip at all...
I'm going to try your suggestion of cutting with EO... I always heat my vials with a blow dryer, but I haven't tried cutting it with EO...
I just ordered a 100 ml vial of EO so I can give it a try... I just hate seeing those useless bottles of beautiful prop sitting in my fridge, so hopefully that will do the trick!
Okay I may get my ass handed to me for saying this and this goes out to everyone who does this. Using heat on a injection site especially after taking a steroid injection, oil or water based can cause infection. My pain specialist told me not to even let hot water from the shower beat on it. I'm on some sust500 and I get some pretty intense pip. Last about two days and when that pain is going away its time to stab again. I've decided that its probably the base oils used. I'm not too sure if the heat is helping you at all. Prob is notorious for pip but it should not be disabling. Good luck man
One more thought seeing how this is your 1st cycle.If the prop is cloud and not crystal clear that could be a problem too.
It's pretty clear. But ill definitely watch out for that in the future thanks fina
Also this is your 1st cycle. Maybe you need to stop prop and wait for 3rd cycle to try it out.Let your muscles get used to getting stabbed. You could wait a few years for your muscles to grow up.Like maybe 4 years
Here is what I would try. Divide your testE dose by 7 and add it to 50mg of testP everyday. See if that helps. Once testP is done then switch back to twice a week. If that does not help I would say screw the prop and just go with the E.
I should have given some advice. I agree with you. Cut the prop with another oil. It always helps. If at all possible, try another prop to see if its just that brand/batch. Best of luck. Let us know
Thanks, I'm gonna heat with the hairdryer, and if that doesnt do it, ill start cutting with the E.
wow dude really sorry to hear that.. PM me what brand / lab you're using please. (I'll check to see if you bothered to make a log in a min) really man I think it's because it's your first rodeo, and you need to give it time for body to acclimate to it.. you didn't mention the enathate causing you troubles so maybe it IS the prop. it's pretty well known that it causes a greater instance of pip but to be honest the prop I've tried thus far is smooth. and I'm using it as a taper and OMG it's superior with zero pip and I"ve made tremendous gains on it!.. it's a little late to order more, but IF you can get another brand / lab you might consider trying it instead to see if it causes the same amount of pip or any. for me personally I've used several different brands so that I could compare them as I went along. you could always run a couple shots during your enathate run it won't mess it up. your blood levels will spike lol, but hey have fun with it!.. and it's short ester so it's not that bad, easy to control any sides IF they flare up, as it'll clear out fast. in any case as it was already suggested, you are still learning how your body responds to different kinds of oil.. wish I could give you a better answer bro. but I hope some of what I wrote makes sense and is helpful.. let me know on the lab please
FR brah!
Don't use water to heat up your gear. Use a blow dryer or something. But prop is notorious for pip. It's part of the game. Best part is pip. I feel like I should have some pain after I jab a metal object into my flesh and inject a crystalized hormone suspended in oil.
Why not heat it up in water bro? Ive been doing that for months...
I used to do this as well. A very well known vet slapped me in the head for it. A couple reasons. If it's a UGL, chances are you dont have a great crimp job. Boiling water creates steam. The slightest bit of condensation gets inside and you have the potential for bacteria. My argument was "Well its boiling water, won't it kill bacteria?" His response, what happens when the condensation cools off? Second reason, you're risking dropping it in water. It just makes more sense to use a hair dryer or even place it on a hot plate (coffee maker). It's about minimizing risk.
Jees thanks, I think I actually had an infection at one point: I was finishing my first vial of prop and had water heated it in a tea cup as usual and the whole leg was reallly red and sensitive to the touch for days, much longer than my usual PIP from the same gear.
This explains alot, thanks Nitti!!! Great having you guys look out!
I thought it was something like that, now i gotta go buy a blow dryer :/
Well, not necessarily. You have a coffee maker? Or a space heater? Anything that lets off "Dry" heat.
Nah but ill get one, i actually dropped a vial if prop in the water once, don't wanna risk any infections
Well if you're going to spend the money you're better off with a hair dryer but how do you not drink coffee? Best pre workout there is. Lol
Well i have jack3d...coffee doesn't compare to that stuff lol
combination of the gear and your body how its reacting to the oil,everyones different,nothing else you can do except stop taking it,put up with it,switch source,my sources prop is pip free with me