posted Wed, 11/18/2015 - 15:49
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Gearing properly to get big
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So I am new to supplementing have done all my research and extra. So many ppl have different opions. But I want to get big like everyone else, my question is: Is it better to bridge between cycles or to do your cycle and pct then start a new cycle? I know some ppl cycle what seems like forever and just bridge between, but I would also think your gains would be better cycling on and off? I'm currently on a ten week cycle
Test cyp 250- 500 mg/week
Dbol- 50 mg/day
Arimadex- .25mg/day
Good advice welcome, just wanna get on the big boy level safely!
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Been training for years and years. Like Viking and other couple guys said. Food, solid food is the main key.
Fortunately I learned the importance of the food right out of the gate from some guys that competed at the gym I started out at. It is the difference I have always seen in guys with some size to guys with a ton of muscle. Guys from decent builds to monsters.
The proper food intake is the key, the more muscle you add to more quality solid food you must keep adding to continue growing.
If you do not focus on the food, you are wasting money on more and more gear. It is like putting Nitro on your race car but not putting in enough gas to get around 2 laps on the track.
"It is like putting Nitro on your race car but not putting in enough gas to get around 2 laps on the track."
Perfectly summed up.
Stick with test for 10 weeks and pct. Time on equals time off. One compound at a time. Say your start getting gyno or other estro issues what's causing it the test or dbol? Learn how your body reacts to test and your aromatize rate. My adex dose on 500mg may crush your estro and vice versa. And the notion that more is better is far from true. With real good dbol 50mg is way overkill. My first time running dbol I took 10mg twice a day and blew up full of water. When the us Olympic team first ran it in the 50s or whatever they had massive gains off 5-10mg a day. I think the higher doses come from people getting cut down products. Dbol is dirt cheap if your source can't get legit dbol might wanna move on. Do not bridge cycles its not worth it. I shut my balls down for 6 years and guess what there turned off forever now. Do not abuse steroids. Very few people can make it pro and to many destroy there body trying to be when the genetics arnt there. Give your body the proper time on and off and you can have a long time of cycling. Get blood work precycle and on cycle to nail your ai dosage down. But the biggest thing is eating, it took me a little while to figure that out. Eat because you have to not because you want to. Whole foods are better then powders and weight gainers. When I get full I'll keep my plate for a extra 20 mins now, and slowly cram the rest down. And if I need to take some pepto to keep from puking it up I will. Listen to viking and the other vets they know what there talking about soak it up like a sponge. You could run 500mg next few cycles and keep gaining. You have all the info you need from real people who spent decades living this for free when in life they charge a nice coin for meal plans and routines and such. I wish I had this info when I first started, the gym guy didn't tell me about anti estrogens or pct or anything. Just said inject this
Bro.. try this for a change instead of popping pepto tabs, fresh pineapple is chock full of an enzyme called Bromelain.. this is the main ingredient in most tabs so you may as well make use of some natural goodness as well.... i have a 6oz portion with every meal, been doing it for years now and works.
+3 for giving great info again brother.... i like how you lay out the truth from life experience, thats what eroids is all about and we need guys like you
Imma have to give that a try, I go shopping every weekend for the coming week. One thing I noticed is I have a meal that includes a salad. If I eat the salad as the last thing it seems to help and not feel miserably full. So I can see how a fruit or fruits could have the same effect. Good stuff bud.
There's no reason for steroid abuse anymore with the knowledge available here. Even for the non member lurkers the search button had everything covered multiple times. I don't mind helping new people if there to lazy to search to a extent. But I agree with macks new forum. That stats and prior info needs to be made upfront before any kind of dosing advice.
Guys, all you need to do is tren hard, eat clen, anavar give up.
Are we looking at a " TYPO " ,............ or a " TROLL " ???
just a joke
Humor is good,..... sometimes tren talk and clem talk are frowned upon.
The humor is worth a +1.
I think he was just making a pun "train hard eat clean and never give up"
You should def cycle off. You don't want to rely on TRT, it's kind of a pain. For your stats, I'm assuming that your BF is 7 like you said, you should be very shredded and lean. You would be better suited just running 2 10 week test only 500mg a week cycles a year, with a sizeable break between, and eat eat eat! You will be amazed how much more effective even small amounts of gear are on a lean frame when you eat tons of high quality food. I'd avoid the dbol also, I personally don't use orals, but they have their olace. However, in your early stages you should grow plenty without them, and you won't get the big weight fluctuation. I know you want to get big fast, but trust me slow and steady, when the gains are solid and lean, look way better and last longer. Good luck man!
That ^^^^^^^^ is the best info in this thread imo............................... i also noticed the OP says he is hitting 150 grams of protein daily!.. That doesnt equate to a gram/prlb that he weighs now.... i suggest double the protein grammage immediately along with a good lashing of carbs and essential fats.
+3 awagz for keeping it real
Thank you sir, your approval really means alot as I respect the hell outta you. I made the mistake of taking test with dbols and deca etc on first and 2ND cycles when I was younger, and while I blew up, I looked horrible and the gains left as soon as my cycle ended. I'm glad I can lend my knowledge and experience to members of this site, and it's always nice to see someone who can take criticism as what it is meant for, which is being constructive. I wish eroids was around 12 years ago when I first started, I'd be a beast by now! After all the years though, one this remains the same: slow and steady gains are the ones you keep, plain and simple. The orals or designers that blow you up by 10 pounds in 3 weeks are fleeting results, and to be honest they will make the back end of the cycle seem weak (mentally) because those explosive gains are gone.
Very glad I'm able to share on this board, we are a tight family around here and I love the feeling of helping someone out
Good stuff! This gives great insight to what I should be doing and how to do it right much respect and appreciation!
I've run many cycles and have used many different compounds over the years. Still to this day I can make great gains and break through a plateau with a test only cycle and a solid diet/training regimen. Many people think after a few test only runs that they need to add other compounds when all they needed to do was add more food and push more weight in the gym. Definitely run test only a few times and manipulate your diet and training instead of trying to add more drugs to the same routine. You wont be disappointed bro. Be safe and stay healthy
I'm gonna send you a FR, accept it and I'll chat over PM maybe I can give you some of the great guidance I have learned over the years!
Done bro!
You are a respectable and valued member brother and i am glad you choose to share
Thanks man, I appreciate the kiND words!
Right on, I've been waiting for you Viking! Can you advise on my response and question to him?
Just stick with test bro, its easy to handle and a simple 2 pins pr week will leave your mind free to concentrate on the calories and training........... its all i ever did bro for many years when i started out, i have a picture in my profile showing what simple test for 10wks can produce when nutrients and training are on point.... it is really that simple!.. no need to over complicate things ever imo.
+3 your fresh attitude deserves some karma
Thank you my man!
first job is to get the protein ratio in balance bro............. ultimately for bodybuilding we aim for 2.2 grams per 1 pound of LBM (lean body mass)........ that figure needs to be reached gradually or you would be on the shitter all day lol............. a good start point for you would be a simple 1 gram pr lb... so if you now weigh 175 lbs that equals 175 grams daily, increase by the gram as poundage increases.
Treat that as your first mission and come back and tell me how much you gained in 3/4 weeks...... i am 100% confident you will show gains just from that.
shiningstarawesome info right there! so easily overlooked and the whole point is protein synthesis from the use of anabolics, i feel like so many juice hard and train hard the don't eat much protein. GOOD ADVICE BRO!!!
Thanks bro...... i am a great believer in the basics and building a good foundation...... looks like you do too brother looking at your avi and stats.......... welcome aboard the good ship eroids
shiningstarfor sure!! basics never fail, thank you for the welcome brother and all the good info, thats what its all about!
K big dawg I'll up it and report back next Wednesday and I'll get some progress pics up
Good man............ Good luck! (not that you need luck, i know its gonna work) LOL
Lol na, just a spotter
Thanks man I see you on the forums alot so your opion is greatly valued. And you're right I was lean but I have always been lean and I honestly prefer to be bulky, and mildly cut. At my biggest with out supplementing I've gotten to 190 and I wanna be 215/230ish. But it seems my ideas on stacking aren't as sound as I thought. What about a deca/test cycle or primo/ test? Or should I stay away from stacking till I'm bigger all together?? Because that's what I seem to be concluding from everyone's advice..
shiningstari think the idea of bridging is something that shouldn't even be a part of your routine or anyones for that matter, like others have said there are certain things learned and gains achieved only by cycling each compound and pct properly then trying a new one and filling in with how your body responds. Those first few cycles should be more than enough to gain a ton of self knowledge as you will never respond as good as your first few runs so your doing good brother what you put with the test/dbol/adex is a basic starting point but honestly id run just test alone and then add compounds but toxic ones like adrol and dbol can lead you down a high blood pressure sides highway so more than just running gear, run bloods the same way oftenly brother be safe and get huge, much love and respect.
You mean like run the test and plateau pointe use the dbol or Anadrol I've heard of this like on the last two weeks,
shiningstaryes, run the test because there is so much too be gained in youre early stages that throwing in orals can just be a pain since you will get huge results off just say test and an a.i. then maybe hit some deca with the test on your next run and then start upping the test if need be you will know whats right for you. This is a great post that has gotten so many awesome responses from guys who know theyre shit lol i just love the read bro soak all that info up and then get all that self experience, good luck homeboy!!
Thanks man great advice is much appreciated
Test 500mg a week, keep ai on hand for if and when you get sides. Itchy nips are a good sign gyno is on the way lol don't need the dbol. You have low bodyfat, it looks good I know but being that lean you'd be better off using a food calculator like http://seannal.com/bodybuilding-macronutrient-calculator.php I know sometimes it's hard to eat but I used to have 8 pints of milk a day and 2 400g tins of tuna, drained with a bit of mayo, not at once but spread throughout the day as my stomach hates protein powder. Tuna will make your sweat smell metallic though! I know it seems like gear is the answer but we can go on about androgen receptors etc all day when lifting heavy compound movements like bench press, squats, deadlifts, dips, shoulder press, curls, leg presses for 6-12 reps to failure will make you hungry, trust me on that. The gear just makes the recovery quicker. Cycle on and off, stay of for at least the length of time you're on in my view.
I like your attitude, no homo, married with a baby lol I did a lot of lower rep stuff so had 50 mg sust and 400mg Deca for my joints and got to 18 stone eating more than you can imagine. Everyone gave me leftovers, even some people cooked extra and gave it to me lol
Lol dang, yea my calorie intake is around 3700 with close to 150 grams of protein a day, I'm naturally hungry all the time actually but eating that much can be hard,
I meant 500mg of test lol. I had a secret though. Cheat meal once a day. Cheese and tomato pizza book covered in chicken and tuna. Added ham and whatever meat i could get on sale. Probably over 2000 calories in that meal alone. And not like pizza covered in saturated fat, one of those cheap nasty supermarket pizzas. I used to find out what calories i was supposed to take and try and get 500 more a day. Weighed myself every night and wouldn't stop eating until I weighed at least the same as I did the night before. Sounds crazy but it worked for me
Lol yea that's what I'm taking 500 a week. It's crazy everyone says drop the dbol I thought when I grabbed it, it would be good but apparently I was wrong. Everyone says just run test. And eat. Thing is though my diet is good, its laid out for me but from what I'm reading and hearing I need more I guess
It's not that dbol isn't good, but most people would suggest starting Test only and getting used to how YOUR body reacts, whether you aromatise a lot, etc. Plus your first run should have been test only. It's a great indicator of how you react to aas. Then on later cycles try adding another compound. So many people run several different compounds early on. What if you respond brilliantly to test but not dbol? How will you know? So next time you'll add Deca for example. Maybe get great results. Again, was it synergy between the test or dbol or all 3? Myself I don't respond amazingly to dbol. Makes me feel good at only aas that positively affects serotonin levels, but get no great size and strength increases, yet Anadrol I respond to really well. Only know this by running test with individual compounds and seeing the reactions. Also when it comes to side effects how are you to know what compound is causing what side effect. It's your body nobody else's, you have probably seen many people get severe side effects on trenbolone but I only get raised body temperature slightly slightly elevated pulse an amazing body recomp. Some people judge the validity of tren for example purely by the sides. I've never had tren cough. Some people don't get it and assume it's fake. Find out how each one affects you. Plus it'll save you spending a fortune as early on the gains come easily usually with test alone. In my opinion! (Better put that to be diplomatic)
That's really good advice, I was thinking of doing a deca test cycle next but hell I don't know now lol, I always assumed you stacked stuff but doesn't seem to be the case. And I thought you just took your anti estrogen (whatever that maybe) to keep sides away altogether avoiding most of them, but hell guess I was wrong
bigmurphI would recommend cycling on then off unless you want to take for the rest of your life because the longer you run the harder it is to recover read your profile if you did time like i did you worked out a lot so your body should have a great lean muscle frame to build on with gear now get a good diet plan going and hit it hard every day also don't get locked up mid cycle it would be a bad thing get a diet plan from someone on here and you will grow quick good luck brother
Totally ! Great advice thanks!
bigmurphNo doubt any questions im here to help send a fr request if you want
I'd say whether u bridge or not more depends on whether u want to be dependent on gear for the rest of your life .... I tend towards cycling off for same time I am on using pct to get natural test producing itself again.. In off cycle, continuing to push heavy will help get your natural hormone levels back quicker
Bridge with bcaa, creatine, protein and pre-workout yeah...
Exactly! Or just run that...
You don't bridge it's called s cycle for a reason unless you want to stick yourself with a needle for the rest of your life.. Time on cycle =time off cycle ... No exceptions
Read this again...fully understand the repercussions should you not cycle...
Brother this is bothering me. Gear doesn't get you big. If you rely solely on the gear...you will be in for a rude awakening when you come off and all weight and strength gains disappear over night!
Gear is merely a recovery"enhancer"...a protein and nutrient synthesizing."enhancer"! You're sole focus should be, lifting and eating to get big! The gear is complimentary to those two
Well lets not over analyze my man. Everyone knows diet is key to any regimen. But let's be honest the gear you use plays a major role as well. But my question is basically about the safest way to cycle and post cycle and whether bridging between cycles is good or not..