First Cycle
Hey everyone,
Total noob when it comes to AAS, but I have been doing some research. I've found that oral-only cycles will not yield the best results (optimum muscle gain), and that orals are harder on the liver. However, discretion with my current job kind of has me going for the orals for my first cycle. I'm a tad iffy on pinning...yeah, I'm a pussy. lol. I have been thinking more and more about introducing the use of injectables in my next cycle, though.
Anyway, I want to do this cycle right. As far as I know, I need an aromatase inhibitor and some quality pct items. I've got some Veyron products on the way which include oxymetholone, clomid, arimidex, and Tamoxifen. So correct me if I'm wrong fellas; the Tamoxifen does the same that the arimidex does, and while I will take the arimidex in conjunction with my anadrol, if i experience onset of gyno (sore nipples, etc) then i should start supplementation of the tamox? Just wanted to clarify that one. I've seen conflicting ideas, etc. This might be one of those "what works best for you" kind of things, but I know some of you guys have ran their share of cycles, and I want to pick your brain.
This is just a question here, so don't hulk punch your computer when you read it and its retarded...but...is d-bol and oxy a smart stack? I'm guessing not, but I haven't seen anything in the forums for it or against it, so I'm curious. Might be too hard on the liver (actually probably is) but just thought I'd ask.
Alright fellas, thanks...if you have any words of wisdom, et cetera, let me know please. I'm new to this community and I like it here. I'm trying to increase my knowledge.
Thanks again...
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AnonNO! Orals only is a TERRIBLE cycle and the stack you want to do is just plain old ridiculous.. not to mention terrible.. please put yourself on the transplant list ... please don't ask for help when you feel like complete shit in two weeks because you have no testosterone in your system... please don't cry when you can't get your dick to work.. please don't cry because you get depressed and don't feel like going to the gym to get big.. which is why you are using these in the first place..
Now as for drug test issues unless they are specifically testing for performance enhancing drugs, it doesn't show on a standard drug screen.. they are looking for opiates, narcotics, and benzos..
If you are overweight with a high body fat percentage then you are prob predisposed to getting gyno.. and those two orals couldn't be worse for you..
Test is the basis for ALL cycles... there is a medical reason for this not something "bro science" made up so I can have fits over yet another oral only cycle. TEST and TEST alone for a first cycle.. you need to know how your body reacts to test and at what levels..
Thank you...well, I'm seeing the theme here. I did know about the drug testing thing, though. I am subject to that testing but its a risk I am willing to take. The "bro science" piece definitely made me laugh.
Honestly it's in your best interest to run test only cycle. You've got the right idea with AI,PCT, and what not but anadrol as a first cycle is just a no go. That stuff is really toxic to begin with and most vets I talk to would never use it without a test base anyways. Personally I'll never use the shit because of so much moon face/michelin man stories. Like most will say you need to man up I was petrified of any kind of needle before starting my test only cycle but I knew if I was going to do AAS it had to be done the right way.
Also 2 orals together isn't necessary. The more compounds you add will not increase the gains, most gains even when on steroids are done in the kitchen.
I couldn't agree more about the allusion to diet that you made. This is definitely true for going the all-natural route, and I have no doubt the same is true for a great cycle. Thank you for your advice!
x2 well said
I'm in my early twenties...yeah that shit just seems hardcore to me, just not used to that kind of shit lol. I got a buddy that does it, i found a bunch of insulin needles he had. He's a big dude so I put two and two together. lol
Looks like I need to man up and order, prepare for a test cycle...
just make sure you research the correct techniques and if you cant pin yourself get a friend (one with a steady hand) to pin and if you are worried about the pain stick an ice cube where your gonna pin untill its nearly melted and that will numb the area
Yeah, that's what I've been seeing. I have shitty luck, and shitty genetics as well, so I definitely would be the guy that didn't retain SHIT from the cycle. Might as well just use a prohormone in that case, lol...I'm just nervous about a couple things when it comes to injections: 1) infection risks 2) the long half-life of test that is more easily detectable by drug test.
X2 in the end its just going to fuck with your head, this is why test only for a first run is highly recommended.
i would start with dbol on its own rather than with oxy as its your first cycle
arimidex and tamox are n2 different compounds adex stops the conversion of steroids into eostrogen and tamox stops eostrogen binding to the receptors so both work in 2 different ways
and i would just man up and pin some test and only test for your first cycle as this should be the base for all stacks and once you know how your body acts to steroids etc then you can maybe start adding another compound
how old are you and how long did you research?
No problem bro, I'm 6'4, about 220 pounds right now....been somewhat dirty bulking w/ out AAS...about 10-12% bf
Seen your pic, you deff look good. Whats your age bro?
Thanks bro I'm not that old I'm in my lower twenties.
My man can you list your stats her.