posted Mon, 02/15/2016 - 07:42
2017
expert advice...problems with ED in the middle of cycle test,deca,dbol
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hi thanks in advance....i need guidance in what to do i start to have dificulty in the bedroom....my cycle is going to be 12 weeks im on the 6week
test e 600mg ew split into two injections
deca 300mg ew split into two injections
dbol 50mg ed single dosage
mesterolone 50 mg ed plit in to two
exemestane 25 mg ed single dosage
cabergoline 0.5 mg twice a week
.....what changes do i need to do....
is that to much anti estrogen?
to much anti- prolactin?
before the cycle morning wood was amazing now i migth get 1 erection a day and porly
mi blood work from my endo show everyting normal
what type of bw i need to pinpoint ed....any help wil be apreciated
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How long you running 50mg of dbol for???
You're taking 25mgs of exemenstane on 600mgs of test, on top of that you're taking 50mgs of proviron. You're estrogen is crashed, no doubt about it. If this was me I'd be taking 6.25mgs per day not 25. Actually I'd probably only be taking 50mgs of proviron ed, but I know my body and where I like my estrogen. I crashed mine one time it sucked, no desire for sex, hard keeping it up. And like 12 other shitty symptoms.
thanks for the advice in the dosage...i will drop proviron for good....now another question wille i get the new bw....should i wait a few days to recover some estrogen? or go for 6.25mg ed now?
Repeatedly you have been told that you crash your estrogen,.......and you keep wanting to take an AI to keep your estrogen suppressed???
Ditch the AI for the better part of a week and let your estrogen recover.
X2. The one horrible time i crashed my estrogen i immieditately ditched my ai and even with some extra shots of prop and tne here and there it still took fucking forever for my estro to come back to normal. Bloods showed my estro was a fucking 5. It was not a fun few months.
to op, get rid of the proviron also, thats what crashed my estrogen, people underestimate its estrogen control powers, thats all i was taking when my estrogen came back at a 5 on a scale from like 10-40. and even a 10 sucks, a 15 sucks, 30s is decent. IMO
thanks for the advice....that answer my question...thanks all of you for the help....humbly accept any critisism.
Everything that was said and more. You will learn what your body will take and won't. Bloods are the best. Trial and error sometimes doesn't hurt. Don't go to high at first. Stress and the mental fuck of AAS is a muther. Take a deap breath and listen to both sides. You will be all right. Next question you will have is fuck why won't my dick go down. Good luck my man
Low estrogen need bloodwork. You should be pulling bloods about now because it's the halfway mark. So you can compare baselines to your current 6 week bloods.
I will do bw thanks...any online labs anyone recomend?....if i go thru my endo ill be paying too much...
i've a very high sex drive even when off and from my own experience, i hate deca my D goes limp just by looking at it. i would drop deca asap.. it is notorious for killing libido.. even at a low dose (250mg wk) it effects my libido. At the right dose its a blessing as long as my test is at least 3x my deca doses.. of course i do agree with others exemestane 25 mg ed is too damn much..
you need blood work now not pre cycle? Or are you in a country you can't get it as easy?
Thats a very high dose of exemestane. You estro could be crushed. Post the blood work
bw are posted...thanks
youre right............ provi and e/stane is way to much and his estro has gone south................... +3
im getting bored reading all these problems with too much Ai.......... i cant get my head around why Ai has become such a "cookie cutter"........... we dont get these problems in Britain, i have never seen as much Ai use as i see on this board...... its gone crazy.
It's because for some reason it became standard, check the cycle logs and the advice given, I haven't been in in a while but if it's like I remember if you don't have an ai in your log it's back to the drawing boards lol. fuck I remember when I was new here years back giving advice telling people not to use an ai, learn you body, see if you actually need one and not take a drug just for the fuck of it and add it if problems occur and getting negged for it.
People would make such better gains if they would leave ais alone, of at least cut the doses in half and not be scared of a little bloat. Fuck this guys 25mgs of aromasjn and 50mgs of proviron would crash your estrogen on one of your offseason cycles you used to run lol, let alone 600mgs of test.
If I'm not mistaken, most if these ai's have been around for less than 20 yrs and were not readily available until about the last 10yrs or so. I'll probably get shot for this, but the most anybody used to do was maybe throw in a serm to prevent gyno or add some proviron. Estrogen is very useful when it comes to strength gains and bulking. If you completely destroy it you are not maximizing the cycle. Am I right or wrong?
You're correct, that old school protocol is exaclry what I do, some proviron and if problems arise 20mgs of nolva will stop it dead in its tracks faster then any ai available. No estrogen means no gains, low estrogen equals less gains then one could attain. Letting it get a little high isn't a bad thing unless you suffer serious bloat leading to high blood pressure, but id blame diet before estrogen for the bloat for most users.
I had been out of the game about 10yrs when I decided to do my last cycle. A guy asked me what ai was I going to use. I said all I was going to take was tamoxifen as needed. He argued with me, telling me you can't take nolva on cycle & you have to have an ai. Between this guy and all of the info on this site stating you "have" to take an ai and cannot take nolva, I assumed that there was something that I didn't know, so I did it. The cycle was very good because of proper eating and training, but I know it would've been better. I won't do it again, however, I won't do a cycle without having an ai available. And I won't do more than a 1/4 mg of adex in a 5-7day period just to keep the moon face down a bit.
lol ya ive seen those comments to many times, cant use nolva on cycle must use an ai from start to finish, my favorite is you cant use nolva with 19-nors. Tell that to all the guys in the 90s early 2000s and probably late 80s. There was no ais avaiable then, just nolva. I like proviron, it brings down my estrogen just enough so everything keeps functioning properly, not to mention its benefits for increasing free test, sex drive, and it makes me more vascular, drier and harder looking. That plus nolva what I do. But I do have enough adex on hand to run it daily for like 3 cycles lol, and some letro for just in case situations. But i never really need it.
19 nors. That's another topic. I had never heard of caber before either. I was always under the impression that prolactin was caused by estrogen and that if you kept estrogen under control, prolactin shouldn't be a problem. I can see where having caber and letro on hand would be smart though. I guess just because something was always done a certain way doesn't make it right. But just because "everybody's" doing it, doesn't make it right either. Difficult to weed through the bs sometimes. And when did deca become the devil? I do get the tren controversy. ALL drugs have negative sides, especially when not used properly.
Can you post up your blood work?
Testosterone total 452 ng/dL
free testosterone 47 pg/mL
Estradiol 17 pg/mL
Prolactin 12 ng/mL
Cortisol 11.3 ug/dL
SHBG 19 nmol/L
FSH 5.4 mIU/mL
LH 4.8 mIU/mL
TSH 2.8 mIU/mL
T4 6.8 ug/dL
T3 118 ng/dL
free T4 1.1 ng/dL
im 39
5'11"
230lbs
bf% 27% to the best of my knowledge i use a caliper to mesure...and find hard to came up with an acurate number
You are on 600mg of test a week and your bloods show only 457? Something is wrong. Your test could be underdosed and with all the ai you are taking it is a disaster.
the bw is before the cycle 6 weeks ago...i did it following many sugestions in here to know where im at before
Oh than it doesn't help much as it doesn't say anything about your current condition. I would say stop esemestene for 2 days and then 12.5 eod or 6.25 ed which could still be pretty high with provi included but with your bf you don't want to risk spike in estro. Get bloods then and adjust the dose. Anytime you run into a problem during a cycle, first thing you shoukd think of is getting bloods. It can often pinpoint the problem and allow gor correction.
That's six weeks ago? Doesn't really help now....
Chances are you've decked your estro but without blood work, it's a guess. Your call if you want to try dropping you AI and seeing if that helps.
Ai is defo the problem............. and that BF% wont be helping matters, you need to loose the sugars and slice your carbs down and get that bf dropping bro............. blood pressure is going to be your next issue if you dont get the show on the road with a tight diet........... totally wrong cycle plan for your condition but i think you know that now.
Live and learn huh!............ nothing like experiencing problems for changes to be made uber fast.
i agree 100% on the diet....will definitly change that
im not in to sugars as much as carbs...but undertend ur point
as for my cycle what are ur thoughts on AI....how much exemestane how often?
as proviron same question use it or not...dosage if any
thanks
(Im taking a risk of risk of being too redundant, and too wordy, because this has been a real problem for me)
I suggest that you lay completely off ai's for a good while. Ai's crush estro by wiping out the aromatase enzyme, obviously. So the body has to make more of those. I've used TNE also, to try to jack up my estro when crashed, but that doesn't instantly create more enzymes, as I understand it, and based on the month it took me just to feel sort of okay, at 30 estro by bloodwork results.
All these drugs (Ai's, SERMS are targeted at different tissues/organs specially) were conceived and manufactured for sufferers of breast cancer, the type that grows in the presence of estrogen, with for one purpose. That purpose is decidedly NOT to "control" estrogen, but to wipe it out completely. They were not designed for BB's and other users of aromatising AAS to be able to control their levels of anything. Again, pardon me for stating what is likely obvious to most here.
I am a guy however who needs to use an Ai, and I prefer Exemestane because Letro makes all my joints and old bone injuries and even muscles ache like hell, at even 0.625mg 2x/week. That's a possible side effect from that drug since these are legit drugs for a hugely important fight against breath cancer, there is tons of information about side effects along with women reporting the side effects they're experiencing on websites for suffered to compare And share their experiences. Look some up, it's worth your time.
whether ones estro is sky high or zero. Anastrozole can crush estro fairly easily also for some, and it's not a suicidal inhibitor so all those aroma taste enzymes become able to convert whatever test they encounter into estro, even long after a cycle, causing rebound gyno. That ones a bitch.
Exemestane is a harsh Mother for some, but it's the best for me—IF, I take it easy. Too much estro is not as easily capable of making one feel horrible, for many, and much easier/quicker to remedy than is too little estro.
By the way, the only thing that has worked really well for my recurring gyno, without any negative side effects, and bery quickly, is Raloxifene. For me it was like surgery in a bottle. But I caution anyone to be very picky about the source, and don't be cheap, becauese it's so quick and cheap thru the peptides/Reasearch Chem sites but a helluva a lot is bunk or under dosed.
My two cents, brothers!
...or more like ten cents.
Great post.................... i like it when experienced members share their own knowledge which has been learned over many years/cycles and find out what works best for them in a specific way.
A broader insight into Aromatase inhibitors instead of the usual "cookie cutter" which i believe is causing more crashed estro problems than folks realise........... most of the guys on here that i talk with (including Mods) that have adopted a more frugal approach to Ai usage are experiencing far better gains with minimal estro and wellbeing issues.
Just goes to show from sharing personal knowledge/experience certain guys have created way better on cycle experiences by discarding the 1 dimensional approach to Ai use... and become masters of their arrays.
Good stuff!!............. +3
Yeah man, I've always been the type who needs to verify what I read or hear with my own personal experience. If one keeps a log of this process one has the best information possible from which to find out what works for them very accurately. Especially something like the E.D. that this original post is concerned with.
Things like E.D. and libido are very complex processes. Endocrinology is such a complicated field because there are such a huge number of endogenous factors that all work in concert with eachother. Plus the fact that everyone's physiology is unique to some degree, equals the necessity of smart and deliberate trial and error in the laboratory of one's own body. Then we increase the difficulty by adding more hormones and regulators exogenously and the cascade of reactions which this creates changes the entire picture.
How can cookie cutter directions be anything other than a fairly loose framework from which to begin the process of adjustment?
Thanks again, Vike.
Just checkking for speeling misteakes.......... itt waz urly wen i rote that
Back off on the AI.
RustyhookerBingo. ^^^^