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-1 Even while being on test prop/tren 75mg/Ed..

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I still can't seem to recover fast enough.. I'll usually do a 45-1 hour workout for each body part. 5x a week. I was doing 6x a week but decided to bump it down because I wasn't recovering fast enough.. I'll do chest/tris on a Wednesday and still have them be sore by fri/sat when I do shoulders and my triceps give out easily. Does anyone know what could be causing this? Doesn't seem normal to be sore for this long.. any other supplements you guys recommend taking to help aid in recovery? I thought the prop/tren would do it. I know it's legit gear as well. Would adding NPP or Tbol help aid in faster recovery to this cycle? Also I'm trying to get down to 8-9% bf right now I'm hovering around 10.5% so I lowered my carbs to under 150 per day and I thought that what could be it so I recently have upped them a bit but keeping calories under maintenance to still cut a bit. Any suggestions on would help thanks guys.

kodiakGRRL's picture

try 1 muscle group per day alternating push/pull, unless you are lifting heavy or training with someone you should be out of the gym within 45min .... rest when your body says you need it ... usually day five or six

adding a compound is just going to contribute the problem
making sure your body has the vitamins and nutrients and REST it needs ... just because you juice doesn't mean you don't need rest/recovery and the body can only handle so much intensity for so long before you begin to break it down on a level that is detrimental and creates issues in the long run.

guitarplayer1's picture

Try taking 3 days off in a row. On the third day eat carbs that you would on a bulk. This may reset you and when you get back in the gym on day 4 you may perform better. Get rest obviously and up your water.

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guitarplayer1's picture

I'm not touching the drug part of his post. Over 25 and in shape.

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ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

I wouldn't add another compound, definitely not another 19nor. Your body doesn't need more AAS, that's not how this works. You need to make sure your body is getting enough fuel( food, not drugs) and rest, that's what's important.

Making Diet Modifications

Incorporate iron-rich food in your diet. ...
Get more copper. ...
Make sure you get enough folic acid. ...
Take vitamin A. Retinol, or vitamin A, supports stem cell development of RBCs in the bone marrow by ensuring that developing red blood cells access enough iron required to process hemoglobin.

Iron
Incorporate iron-rich food in your diet. This will help the body rebuild and replace what was lost. Daily intake of iron rich food will help increase RBCs in the body. This is because it is an essential part of a red blood cell and hemoglobin as it helps deliver oxygen to different body parts. It also helps in excretion of carbon monoxide upon exhalation. Food rich in iron includes:
Legumes
Lentils
Green leafy vegetables like kale and spinach
Dried prunes
Organs meats such as liver
Beans
Egg yolks
Red meat
Dried raisins
If daily consumption of iron rich food daily is not enough, you can turn for supplements and minerals that will increase RBC production. Iron is available in 50-100mg and can be taken 2-3 times daily.

Copper
Get more copper. Copper can be found in poultry meats, shellfish, liver, whole grains, chocolate, beans, cherries and nuts. Copper supplements are also available in 900mcg tablet form and can be taken once daily.
Accordingly, adults require 900 micrograms of copper per day. During the productive years, women menstruate thus require more copper than men. Women need 18mg while men only require 8mg per day.
Copper is another essential mineral that helps the cells access the chemical form of iron necessary for red blood cells during the process of iron metabolism.

Work Out

Heed these eight tips to maximize recovery, stay on top of your game, and ensure maximum gains.
Push The Barrier, Don't Annihilate It. ...
Get Serious About. ...
Don't Skip The Stretching. ...
Perfect Your Post-Workout Protein. ...
Eat Potassium-Rich Foods. ...
Focus On Quality Sleep. ...
Do Some Active Recovery. ...
Reduce Your Stress.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/content/8-ways-to-maximize-your-post-workout...

guitarplayer1's picture

Nice reply

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irongame427's picture

Youre cutting, calories and carbs are low, we grow and recover buy eating and sleeping so when your in a deficit of calories like you are there really arent enough calories to go around per say. This is just the nature of dieting, sore, tired etc. Just keep pushing though bro, more drugs arent going to help. Also overtraining could be a factor, I remember saying your strenght gains have came to a halt and youre running tren, Overly sore, loss of strength etc, its much easier for this to occur when your dieting since calories are so low. Hows your sleep? Are you getting atleast 7hrs or so? If youre also not sleeping well due to the tren combined with the low carbs its easy to burn out your CNS. Sure you train a muscle then give it a week to recover but you hit the same CNS every single workout. Sometimes a week off makes a huge difference. For me after hitting it hard consistently for a long period of time ill stop gettng stronger, ill actually start to regress, i get tired all the time, lose motivation etc etc so ill take a week and when i come back im stronger, focused and movitated again, i start making progress again. Also, since your cutting you may benefit from a week with higher cals/carbs to somewhat reset your metabolism, like a refeed. Go back up to maintenance for a week, possibly stay out of the gym for the week and i bet when you come back youll start progressing again like you want to. In a perfect world ill take either a week or like a weds-sunday off every 12 weeks or so. But more drugs are not the answer.

shiva4's picture

not sure what the comments in your other post said, not going to take the time to read through them all. it seems you have the attitude that more drugs is better and that will solve all your problems. well that is wrong and not going to resolve your issues. if youre running a cycle like this and cannot recover then there is something very off, and more drugs will not correct this.

it could be one of the following issues or multiple;
not enough rest
not eating right
one, multiple or many biomarkers are off

please take the advice that is being given to you by various veterans that have posted below, don't up your drugs, if anything back down a little. get blood work done and try to reapproach your issues with a different mindset. look into other factors to correct the issues, don't up your dosages or add in new compounds.

edit
first thing I would do in your position is go have a complete blood panel done, including prolactin, cbc diff, metabolic panel, thyroid panel, estrogen

guitarplayer1's picture

Good stuff

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TimberDog's picture

Many years ago before I ever used AAS I struggled recovering from workouts at one point when I was trying to lean up, and it was directly attributable to my diet, as Makwa states below. But I didn't have extended soreness in my muscles like you are experiencing. It sounds like your body may be producing more lactic acid than it should be. Maybe overly catabolic state?? I dunno, but getting some blood work might be a good idea. I have no idea what remedies there are for that, but proper nutrition is prolly a good starting point.

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You keep thinking throwing more gear into the equation is going to solve things. It isn't. The solution to "overtraining" is diet and rest. You are cutting so you have to match your workouts to the nutrition you are giving your body. You can't eat more since you are cutting which would likely solve things. Once again AAS cannot trump diet. If you are eating less you have to scale back training to keep from burning out. You can't grow or get stronger if you are not allowing the muscles to recuperate. The only solution i see here is to eat more or scale back training.