+ 7 ESTROGEN
I didn't know the appropriate place to put this so if one of the mods would just please put it in the appropriate place.
I've been wanting to write this for a long time now. I get so concerned even irritated when I continuously read about people posting cycles that are 500mg of test a week and running AIs right from the get go.Im writing this to hopefully enlighten some here to the fact that you CAN"T grow without estrogen being present. I'm well aware that some advocate this use including but what I will write here is pure fact, not my opinions (unless stated as such).I want to do a series of these articles as there are too many components to this to write it all in one post.
Estrogen is very similar structurally to testosterone . It's produced in the male boy by a slight alteration of the enzyme AROMATASE and it occurs in the tissue of the adipose, liver, gonadal,central nervous system and skeletal muscle. While we dont' produce much it's a hormone which could actually be beneficial in terms of cholesterol values. In higher amounts however it could cause unwanted sides such as water retention, bitch tits (Gyno) and fat accumulation. I want to stress here the "higher amounts" doesn't mean 10-20% increase IMO! Don't be led to believe that estro serves no benefit though .Bodybuilders have kown for years that the higher estrogenic steroids are the best for building mass and just recently have they come to understand the underlying mechanisms of why this is so. The reason estrogenic steroids are better for building mass goes deeper than just the water retention aspects of these steroids, estrogen actually has a direct effect on the anabolic process and the way this happens is through increases in GLUCOSE UTILIZATION, HORMONE SECRETION AND ANDROGEN RECEPTOR PROLIFERATION.
Next I'll write about how these increases occur.
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Great post bro. +2. It's always good to get a little wisdoms from one of the great ones.
Thanks for the post 56 very informative
will keep an eye open for part 2
As we are constantly reminded here on eroids, blood tests tell us the real deal. I ran an AI at a light dose and still got my estro number pretty high. I'm definitely one of the people that needs an AI even on 500mg of test a week. For me, 3mg a day of aromasin was too little, 6mg a day crashed my estro, 4mg a day seems just right. I still skip a dose once a week or so, when I feel my joints getting achy.
Thank the fkn lord almighty!!
This is info that i always tried to get around to posting up but due to comittmants my time is now sooooo fkn precious..... what 56 is bringing here should be read,digested,researched and then triied out by yourselves...... i promise the differences you will find to your cycles will be fkn immense!.......... i also read Hollywoods comments down below and can only agree 100%... folks these days are NOT taking the time to learn THEIR tolerances to ANY compounds because they are using SO MANY SO QUICKLY!.
I WOULD GO AS FAR AS TO SAY 80%+ ON HERE DONT KNOW WHEN OR EVEN IF!.. THEY NEED TO RUN ANY AI COMPOUNDS!..... AND ANOTHER FACT THAT I HAVE PICKED UP ON IS THAT FOLKS ARE USING TOO MUCH OR USING WHEN NOT NEEDED AND CRASHING THEIR ESTRO LEVELS THROUGH THE DECK!..... I.E. ALL THE POSTS WE SEE ABOUT "FEELING SHIT GUYS HELP ME OUT"..... RESEARCH "EDEMA" FELLAS..... LOW BLOOD PRESSURE IS JUST AS DANGEROUS AS HIGH BP.... THESE ARE BIG PROBLEMS WHEN YOUR AI IS NOT ON POINT.
Good work 56 +1
Great post 56! Educational and enlightening! Looking very much forward to your future posts! +1
RustyhookerKeep em coming!
I think you touched on the obvious, we are all paranoid as hell about Gyno. Probably well past the point of overkill.
BigBmajI've never understood why. It's not like your nips are going to grow out of control over night. Having said that tho, I've seen many people with super high estrogen at 500 mg of test a week. I just gave a friend some adex a couple days ago because he said his nips were getting bad and his mood was terrible, from a 500 mg/week dose.
I think experience helps us get over the paranoia. I know I am way less concerned about it now than I was when I started. I have embraced the nipple sensitivity too a degree as well, I have found that when the wife messes with them during ,ah hem "coitus", it adds a new feeling that I have never felt before. And I like it! Matter of fact, now that I am a month into PCT they are not responding like they did and I miss it. lol
So my friends, there is always a silver lining to be found.
thanks so much for this i've seen a lot and been told by alot of ppl to take AI's right from the get go.
Some ppl are just using test and then they have AI's throughout the cycle and Tamox/Clomid as a PCT
but so many others are telling me you just need one as a PCT Tamox" and don't run any AI's
until you know you need it
Obviously the only sure way to go about things is to consistently get bloods done and go from there. However since most of us only seldom get bloods I just go feeling. Once my nipples start to get itchy/sensitive I'll take some Asin and it goes away for a few days. Usually no more than 6.25mgs
I don't think the sadness of that statement even penetrates
Again, this is one of the vital components missing with "todays AAS user" Its near impossible to "know what to feel for" with the way I see the majority running compounds. It takes TIME and EXPERIENCE to "know" your body and with the cycles being run and the rapid climb up the cycle ladder I find it difficult to believe anyone is really learning anything...
I am 8 wks into cycle/no AI. Last wk I recognized a subtle drop in libido and sluggishness was creeping in... I did NOT lose libido nor did I GET sluggish I popped some adex and got good BEFORE it got bad. I recognized it because I have experience on how to recognize it. Could I do this my first 3 or 4 cycles? No, I waited for itchy nips... LOL
I agree with 56 and this automatically adapting AI to a cycle is seriously fucking with the individual learning curve.
My .02