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Elbow posterior pain- tricep tendonosis

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Hello quys..sorry for posting again the same thing but honestly I am frustated

About two years ago I developed a strong pain at the tip of the elbow. I Cant do any push exercises which affects my training tremendously. During these two years I've been trying to work through the pain but I couldn't training like I want me to..and stop. I tried every possible treatment available..doctors cant figure out what I have. Done two MRI's,ultasound and a nerve test which came back clean. I've been keeping up with my diet hoping that I will get back to the gym. After a lot of research I believe that I have tricep tendonosis. Icing NSDAIS,eccentrics,diet,physiotherapy,ultrasound didnt work. About two days ago I read a post By a member Makwa claiming that he treat similar injury with prednisone. I am not sure if this works but I will give it a try. Anyone knows how to treat chronic degenerative pain?

pattar's picture

I have similar issues with my elbow. Readjusting my workout sequencing has helped. I don't do direct tricep work until I have worked the tricep indirectly, e.g. chest or shoulders before tris etc. Also if you have an arm only day I find that working biceps first will help. For chest work I start light and get lots of blood in there before I start pushing heavier weight, if I do at all. When I move on to triceps I start with a movement which doesn't bother my tris and get a good pump. For example for me, rev grip pushdowns don't hurt so I will do 4 or 5 sets working my way from 30+ reps down to sets of no less than 15 reps. I can't do skullcrushers without pain so I don't them. For shoulders I don't do any pressing movements until I have done isolation exercises, e.g. lateral raises, rear delts etc. If I do any pressing movements for shoulders they will be last and will work with light weight and use methods like slow negatives, drop sets, etc. to increase the difficulty without using a lot of weight. I also use elbow sleeves and make sure to stretch my triceps between sets. Hope this helps.

Youngshadow's picture

Thank all of you for taking the time to response to my thread!

IrishMack's picture

I tore my shoulder tendon as well as my bicep tendon. I still trained but took it real easy. Nothing will speed up the healing process except not aggravating it. My doctor told me to rest it and it should be better in 9 months. He was right. I tore it again. He injected me with some sort of solution that took a lot of pressure off of it but it was still a dull pain. 6 months later its better. I still train like a beast but the minute I feel it acting up I STOP. I then take a few weeks of high rep low weight and it starts to feel better. In other words there is no miracle pill or injection for a tendon, you fuck it up you live with it. You need to learn how to live with it. Also taking an nsaid hinders gains and also decreases protein synthesis so stop using them. BUT keep looking for the magic cure, maybe some day you will find it bit dont gold your breath.

Caeser's picture

Here's the lowdown youngblood... our muscles strengthen at a faster rate than our connective tissue (tendons/ligaments). A big reason for this is that our muscles have direct blood flow... which maximizes nutrient delivery & waste removal. Connective tissue doesn't have this; this process essentially occurs through osmosis. I've read/heard that Connective tissue can take +200 days to strengthen (and catch up to the strength increases of muscle). Muscle will strengthen at a much quicker rate (I don't have that timeframe at the top of my mind).

With this knowledge, this is going to take nothing but time. And during that time, you should be doing every rehab technique available to you:
[a] Voodoo Bands - as jayzgainz & giardap suggest
[b] Heat therapy (not immediately after activity)
[c] A.R.T. - as giardap suggested
[d] Gua Sha (scraping)
[e] Peptides - BPC 157 & TB500
[f] Electric Stim (Marc Pro)
[g] Acupuncture

This gonna take 3 - 9 mos. to heal... it's a slooooooow process.

Everything I understand about NSAIDs = they're no good for tendinosis because there is no inflammation present, and they may even disrupt healing the injured tendon.

The key is blood flow to the area = healing.
Godspeed!

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The thing with prednisone or any corticosteroid ot does not cure the problem. Only puts it off a few days, weeks or months but it will return. At least that is how the ortho surgeon I saw explained it. Maybe different problems have different results because Makwa seems to know his shit. I went for tendonitis in the elbow. So painful I could not hold a coffee mug. I opted against the shot and started wearing a compression sleeve. After awhile Infelt somewhat better but not quite 100. There was research fone with bpc-157 that yielded good results and that brings me to today. On the advice of Giarrdap I picked up a couple voodoo floss bands and use them on the elbow and my knee which has had mobility issue for a long time. So far so good. Definitely are a great tool to have in the gym bag

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Righthook's picture

I have just begun using the floss and I must admit that I have seen improvements. My tendinitis was pretty severe last year and I have let it repair naturally but I believe it will never fully heal. The floss seems to be good therapy for it though.

giardap's picture

Makwa's advice is gold, send him a friend request and see if you can dial in what you are going to try.

Also, take a long term view: Over the longer term, treat the problem not the pain. Go to an ART practitioner. Take one session, see if he can help. Only cost you €70 or something like that, for an hour, and they will let you know if they can heal you, which they probably can.

Youngshadow's picture

I went to many physio's,,,pain is still there. Thanks for the feedback

giardap's picture

ART is not physio

Youngshadow's picture

yeah...I mean active release therapy is performed by chiropractors who are basically the same shit with physio. I guess there is no different from deep tissue massage

giardap's picture

Yes, some chiro's do practice it, however a specialist ART chap is what I am recommending, not a chiro
Now if you feel your guy was good enough, then it's off to get an MRI and start treating symptoms

Nope its very different to deep tissue massage brother, the principal is about tension, very different, subtle but great difference

Youngshadow's picture

thanks ..I will give it a try Smile