+ 7 Consistency of your GEAR?
We live in a society that advocates for more is better, bigger is better... extra is better. If you don't believe me all you have to do is head to your local fast food joint and ask them to biggie size it.. hit your local restaurant and check out the serving sizes.. generally we believe that more is better
There are few instances where I just have to disagree. This has been bothering me for several weeks now. I keep seeing instances where Sources are saying how they "overdose" their gear and this is worrisome to me for several reasons.
We trust that the maker of our gear is giving us what the bottle says and so plan accordingly. We often worry that the gear is under dosed and hardly stop to think about what if it is over dosed. I know most of you are thinking right now "so what".. well, if you were eating your gear I bet you'd fire your source... Imagine if you ordered a pizza from a new place and it came loaded with toppings, you'd be pretty happy about that right? Imagine if the next time you ordered you only got half the toppings and you were expecting loaded like last time right? You probably be pissed off or at the very least disappointed. What if you order again and your pizza is half cooked or maybe it is burnt.. I bet you probably wouldn't order from there again. You would go elsewhere, there are lots of pizza places.
So, why do we accept less from the people who make our gear? Because, we think in this case more is better. ... but is it really?
Every one plans their cycles based on dosages. If you think you are getting one dose but really getting another, you are inadvertently affect ALL the rest of your cycles for the future.. at some point lesser dosages just don't have the same potency for us.
More importantly, many people use this gear for TRT replacement, accurately assessing dosages are critical. Furthermore, shouldn't 100mg of prop from lab X be the same as 100mg of prop from lab Y? Test prop is Test prop right?
Another huge consideration is that women are using gear also. So what you say... Well the truth is that 25 or 50mg can be the difference between being a GIRL with some muscles and athleticism or Transgender Therapy. As women, we not only depend on our sources to accurately dose our gear, we depend on you to accurately label what you send us. The effects of getting something that isn't accurate can be devastating.
this is my once a year public service announcement. have a nice day ;-)
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AnonI agree with you 100%. I want my 250mg/ml to be 250mg/ml, not more not less.
My 12th cycle got all whacked out due to.......my gear was dosed correctly and it jacked me up too high. At 48 years old that isn't any joke or cool. I'd like to keep living and ranting eroids making people mad while I laugh my ass off.
Seriously.....knowing your mgs and especially for a woman or mgs sensetive folks like me.....could mean ER or worse.
This isn't some cool shit you chemistry set idiots! Cooking your dumbass 'look at what I just made" concoctions and impressing other idiots, mostly kid....fuck you!!
Does anything think Ronnie or Jay use dumbass "blends" or "hope" they got overdosed?
deven08Im sure I have wore out my welcome, but this is a really good point. THIS STUFF ISNT LEGAL!!! People should feel lucky enough to get anything at all. Even if the stuff makes you sick, its your own fault for purchasing something ILLEGAL and most likely from a UGL.
This is a crooked world and people need to be smart enough to know that there are few honest people in this ILLEGAL game. Its kinda hard to compare gear to pizza whenever one is completely legal and the other is NOT!!! Thats the name of the game when you venture into an UNDERGROUND ILLEGAL world. BE SMART PEOPLE.
tread-mThe pizza I buy is illegal, underground pepperoni from cuba! Very seldom consistent! Illegal is a word you accept as one of the sheep. I have the right to do anything that does not hurt others including this. Its a God given right to be as smart or as dumb as I choose so lets not bring the "legal" aspect in to it. Integrity is integrity and it is underground sometimes more than above ground in this world we live in. Sources need to be held to a standard and make it right when they are wrong...if they don't, its our job to make them disappear!
well put Tread and grrrl you are right, @ That other guy i have lived in the underworld most of my life and i have seen much integrity there. We as consumers expect a certain integrity from our sources and if you dont then you are a FUCKING MORON If i decide to buy crack and he sells me crap, if i can get my hands on his ass i am going to make him wish he had sold me some of his uncut personal stash, well thats what i expect from my source in anything. If your standards are lower that is on you but DO NOT expect us to follow your ignorance and just accept what ever comes our way cause its illegal. Its illegal because to many idiots in the world and led as sheep to the slaughter.
AnonIntegrity is the key here.. even the drug dealer down the street has integrity.
Can I ask what your source name is?? Are you Canadian by chance ?? I only ask because you sound like someone who would be comfortable ripping off as many people as possible.
Don't come to my neighborhood and try to sell coke with that attitude, because your little bitch-ass would be dead, broke, or BOTH in about 2 days.
Don't post here again.
I am new here, but I have read several forums. Im almost a little worried to say anything negative towards the open topic. Seems as if the mods jump your ass something serious for posting in the wrong place or going against the open topic. That being said, pharma is the best way to go.
AnonYes we do jump your ass fo posting non reviews in the review forum when the rules are already written in the box you type in to write that non review... the point is that not everyone or even many people can get pharma grade gear... as a female I can't get it at all. the real issues is that the sources need to have inegrity of product and many don't and claim to over dose their gear...the responses you see above are in response to commentary that was ridiculous at best sexist and ignorant at worst.
If by "negative" you mean insulting or deliberately argumentative, then yes, your ass will be tossed. We aren't going to let you do it, and we aren't going to let anyone do it to you. If you wish to argue or troll, You Tube is your site.
I know its hard to be gentle to the ignorance among us but we must at least try. these are the ones that if they dont get a little educated while hanging out among us they may very well go and kill themselves doing something stupid.
AnonHe has the "more is better attitude" you can't change that JD you might as well try arguing with someone about religion..
although i partly agree with you thats not always the case. when you place an order from somewhere where its not illegal chances are they purchased directly from manufacture and you should be getting legit merch, but even then sometimes you get copied merch so there lies a problem. so it is a double edge sword but the reality is, dont kill your client. if they start selling stuff that injuring its own market they should take the steps to correct it.
I really think its so important to understand this. while on cycle switching gear in the middle of the race sometimes happens and BAMB!!! you are underdosed, or over dosed. how can you keep track if you cant rely of the source. even more scary is the fact that we have to support grrrl's point, for women its much more serious than for us guys. some of the results can be irreversible for them. we cant be on cycle and having our hormones all over the place because we are pinning amounts other than what we expect. thanks for this grrrl, i agree, now how do we demand correction?
deven08Lets make this simple and plain. UGL= Under Ground lab. If you have any concerns what so ever about anything, then get yourself some pharmacy grade. People start complaining about overdosed shit, and next thing you know we start getting under dosed shit. Lets not ruin a good thing people! DONT ORDER UGL GEAR IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH UGL GEAR. Bottom line. Let those who wanna over dose their gear continue to do it. Not really much of an argument to this statement.
I understand that 25 or 50mg overdosed is reckless. I was under the impression that the "over dosing" going on is rather miniscule and its method used to make up for any lost liquid in the manufacturing proccess. only like 0 -4 mg. Well thats my impression I dont own a lab.
I suspect, pharma grade is probably something like +/- 5% there was a thread else where yesterday showing a larger % of UGL products overdosed at much larger amounts.
Found it : http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/going-undergro...
tread-mIf those sonsabitches send me a pizza when I ordered gear WE GOT A FUCKIN PROBLEM! Wait, I may be confused here PM me! Seriously though, nice read and great points. I get some over dosed Balkan fakes here where I live and I love them but your point is consistency and at least I know they are consitent in over dosing and can depend on that. There is no solution to the problem other than to legalize which would create a higher standard of competition in my opinion but this sadly will never happen. That would require we be able to act out our lives without full gov control and we are far to dumb for that according to everything I have read from the officials there. I was surprised I could even read it without their help to be honest with you, thats how dumb we are grrrl. ; (
I couldn't agree more. As a female, getting gear that is "overdosed" is not cool.
The biggest barrier here is the lack of legal testing, if testing was legal and available most good sources could/would be able to test their aquired powders and finished products. Consummers could test the gear that was delivered, resulting in a greater safety net for all of us. Considering the county of origin of most if not all the powders............ .
ETA: Think of it if a source wants to over dose a product but tells you the real dosing, we the consumer could use the product accordingly.
Maybe a system of Prop100+ or ++ or +++ as to the % it is thought to be over dosed.
+ = approx 15%
++ = approx 25%
+++ = 35% or higher.
Why not label it as what it actually is? If its prop 100 and its 25% overdosed then call it prop 125! That way we would all know where we stand. Half the time I think the sources just talk sales BS to make you think you are getting more for your money. Accurate information lets us dose accurately. I think grrrl is right on the money with her point.
OK, I will repeat myself.
Not trying to be a smart arse but if they can't test the gear then how can they say if it's +25% +50% or whatever?
Based on the weight of the powder added. The thought being there maybe slippage in the % of real gear in the powder. It would be based on the number of hands the powder has passed thru.
BostonI swear i was thinking about this the other day grrl. I ran geneza one cycle which most know is good gear. Then the next i ran optimal labs gear and oh my god! Huge difference. I was supposedly only running 600mgs test e per week but i hasve a feeling i was running closer to 700 or 750. Now if i go back to gp or axio ill have to run more. Great point grrl and great post. I agree!
That is why you should buy human grade gear when looking for testosterone. There is absolutely no reason not to.
Apart from that, I have yet to see an overdosed bottle of any other AAS. BTW, we here in europe don't have super size meals at McD'oh :(
But yeah, good point and all, watch out you don't grow a mustache ;)
Couldn't agree more. I use ugl cuz it's cheap and cuz the ones I've used have never been underdosed. I have gotten underdosed one time and I should've known better. He had a stigma of bunk gear floating around this site when I first joined. The times I've needed to run strict dosages I run Watson or paddock. I've also got a script so it's constantly available to me. I will say that insurance is getting more rare these days so I can't assume everybody does. But if dosages were as vital to me as say a woman who dosages are critical. I can see where grrrl is coming from. For guys all u have to do is spend all ur money on a trt clinic and buy some Watson for half ur savings. Be my guest.
Anonall the gals out there running gear don't have the option of getting a script for pharma grade from the pharmacy... we all run ugl and we depend on it being what it is supposed to be.
buy the powders and make your own? don't cry about overdosed gear and ruin it for the rest of us. girls shouldn't be doing aas anyways. just sayin'.
really??? this is the type of ignorance that needs to be educated. why would you even let something so foolish come out? why do you need overdosed gear? do you really benefit? let your ass start pinning over dosed insulin or some other dangerous product. this surely is not just about test.
"girls shouldn't be doing aas anyways. just sayin'."............ Why not? What facts support your claim? You do know that even if you buy your own powders the shit is most likely cut unless you go to China and get it yourself right? Meaning when you homebrew you actually dont know how much test you have any more than if you buy it already brewed. Sounds like you may be the one who doesnt need to be doing aas to me. Think before you type homie.
THIS is the greedy, selfish mentality grrrl is talking about.... there is nothing wrong with 100mg test p being 100mg and those that need to feel as if they are "gettin over" and feel they need to get more than what they paid for is one of the countless reasons society is crumbling at our feet (you greedy bastards!)
AnonREALLY...who the are YOU to say what I should or should not be doing.. I bet I could probably say the same damn thing about you and have sounder reason based on medical facts as to why you shouldn't be running gear. And for the record YOU should also be concerned about running over dosed gear as well.. maybe you might want to think a bit longer before you spout off with some sexist bull shit answer
I would totally give you a thumbs up if I could! Sexist BS is exactly what that was!
Its true what he said.Women shouldnt be doing aas.And definately not have to adjust dosages just to suit the minority.Does this mean that its ok for men to start getting breast implants? NO? Well,isnt that sexist.
wow more retarded comments. men do get breast implants all the time and they call them selves transexuals and they usually accompany that with>>>> wait for it>>>> you guessed it genius!!! hormones!!! and guess what? its ok. go back and read the post and understand the topic first and rethink your comment and we will be here waiting for something intelligent if you can swing it.
That comment was almost as brainless as the stupid-ass comments you make everywhere else around here.
Don't step in my way ball boy.
AnonADJUST DOSAGES??? Do you even know how to read and comprehend the English language? I am saying that the labels should be ACCURATE and correctly identify dosages. What part of that don't you understand it isn't rocket science. And if you really think you look better with some boobs by all means go for it.
tread-mYou missed the whole point here, right over your head brother. The post is about proper dosing and the women thing was just 1 of many supportive reasons behind the thought.
This is not motor oil for your car or pledge for your furniture we put this in our body. The same way when you take 200mg of ibuprofin you don't want it to be 600 , this goes in your body and proper weight in mg's is along the same lines as proper compound. For all you know its been cocktailed with a compound you are allergic to if you can't depend on the dosage.
Finding properly dosed product from good suppliers is important as it goes to the integrity of the product and you not only know what it is for sure but you know what dosage it is.
Imagine if everything you bought in the meds isle at the drug store was not properly dosed. Now you wonder, is it even the compound it says it is? Is there even any compound in the filler? Integrity of the product is a direct reflection oj the integrity of the maker. If you can't trust that that then you can't trust anything at all from the supplier.
I bet you're a nice guy but maybe you should realize all the thoughts running around in your head do not have to be verballized. Women have just as much right to use health enhancing products as men and more often than not, a larger need to do so. At least our hormones are relatively stable in there decline, womens hormones are bouncing all over the place in their decline or incline depending on what day it is. Health enhancement is a human thing, as it should be, not a man thing.
Thank you Tread! The example I was thinking of would be Vitamin C. Some may think, "who cares if Vitamin C is overdosed?" Everyone should care. Too much Vitamin C can cause bad side effects. The same logic applies to gear. The dose on the label should be accurate.
You're an idiot. Anavar was first created specifically for women and children. If I want to use steriods to build muscle, the same reason a lot of males use steriods, I have every right to. Men have every right to get implants if they choose. I could care less. The point of this post was that gear should be dosed correctly. I'm not even going to try to explain why that should be important to everyone. You can't argue with stupid.
sgtstedankoDude, you two are fucking retarded. I feel sorry for your sisters, girlfriends, etc. Chicks can do whatever the fuck they want. Some things maybe not as well, but they certainly SHOULD be able to do to their bodies as they wish. I tell you what brother. If I ever develop bitch tits; fuck the bullshit, I'm gonna get me a nice b cup
No the implants you might consider would be lower and on the opposite side.
Edit: as the post this was repling too has been removed,......no implants are now required.
AnonI had to edit that for speech issues and name calling..;-) you can fill in the blanks
No in ur case I totally agree with u. For a woman the effect overdosed gear would have on ur chemistry could be tragically irreversible. I really sympathize for women in that regard. I do see where u(women) are coming from.
True that if you can actually find reall hg gear. Finding reall hg over the net is nearly impossible, it ain't like before. Now you have so much near perfect counterfeits out there, you'd be hard pressed telling the difference between the reall and the fake.
There is enough hg gear that is rarely faked. Just look at rotexmedica and many of the other german testosterone brands. Haven't seen any fake geofmans yet either, and that stuff is like $3 per amp.
Yeah I hear you bro, sad thing is eventually those rats will catch on and counterfeit them as well. I remember a time when there were no Norma Hella fakes and now look at em there the most faked out there. I pritty much gave up on the idea of hg, unless you have a prescription of course.
AnonI have stock in Brazilian wax for unwanted hair..
Brazilian. OOOOH my favourite!