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+ 3 Compounds you regret taking
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My question the community is pretty simple. Are there any compounds you regret taking and why?
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Hate tablet danabol. Can use it maximum 2 weeks...after my stomach says NOOOO
Hated anadrol. Sides were horrible and had to stop after two weeks. Have tried almost everything else and nothing has come close in terms of sides.
Clen for me and silly doses at that, shaking and cramping like a mother-f’er day and night. Hopefully I never did any permanent damage to my heart, pretty sure I damaged something with me though because I have a shake or tremor when holding a position or doing a movement, saying sitting up without using my hands. I’m used to it now and don’t notice it too much but it embarrasses my wife sometimes and looks like I’m struggling with a weight or whatever when I’m actually not. After I do a few sets of a movement it almost disappears. Very weird.
Worst thing is that it’s not actually that powerful a fat burner so I didn’t get that much in terms of results either!
Alphamale500That fuckn clen really is the worst, isn't it bro? I'll never forget my terrible, scary experience with that shit. It was my fault though. I didn't take my blood pressure while this overdose was happening, but it had to be so high because I felt my pulse pounding and pumping behind my ears. Never in my life would I touch that shit again. Lol, but I'd rather smoke fuckn crack than take clen! To be clear, I'd never do that either.
Thats wild man. I took clen for about 2-3 months and didnt notice anything terrible at all. Was also on test and winny and taking t3 as well. Guess everyone is different. I definitely had the shakes but nothing else was noticeable and good results.
Alphamale500Well for some ppl it works fine. Also, you were probably taking normal doses, while I just took about a little less than a match heads worth out of some pure clen powder I had gotten. I can't stress how stupid that was to do that!! This is a substance that's active in mcg's. But when taken correctly with normal doses, yeah I'm sure it can be very effective and pretty much side effect free for many ppl.
I tried those T3's many years ago, and I'm not sure why but they didn't have any effect on me. Are they supposed to give you a stimulant-like effect? I was never really into any type of stimulant drugs being that I have anxiety issues. But that sounds like it could've been a great cutting cycle that you took though!
It's also got a ridiculously long half life, so I can oni imagine how long you were feeling miserable for. Thats rough bro
Alphamale500Well, when I took it was about 5:30 a.m., before leaving my house right before I went to work. And like I said, the cheap pocket scale I bought to measure out the mcg doses was a real piece of shit and didn't even work. So, I took what I figured out to be a normal dose(so I thought), which was about a little less than a match heads worth on my tongue. It must've been such a large dose, so I began to feel the effects within just like 5 or 10 minutes after ingesting it, and especially while driving to work.
By the time I got to work the intense shaky and heart pounding effects were so bad, that I had to drive right back home. Once I got home, I was so thirsty that I grabbed the orange juice and just went in my bed and laid down. My heart beat was pounding so hard and I could feel it behind my ears! I was just laying there and praying for it to go away, without calling an ambulance which was almost a fatal mistake. This was when I was only about 16,17 yrs old and I was living with my parents at the time, which is why I didn't wanna call for help!
But yeah, I was in my bed with these symptoms from the early morning until about 6:00 p.m. that evening when it began to subside. Omg, you don't know how happy I was for those symptoms and that feeling to subside. But I still felt some effects for hours after that as well, but not as severe. Smh!! Never again will I touch that shit at any dosage.
AnonSo I think I accidentally took some the other night...I split a few up almost a year ago and put them in my drawer. Last month I was doing the same with my aromasin...I thought I had dumped all the clen but half of a 40 must have stayed behind. I reached in the drawer and grabbed the half dose of asin right before bed. I then spent 3-4 hours thinking I was having a panic attack with no actual "mental" side effects, just the heart racing, wave of fight or flight adrenaline rush. My BP was spiked for sure. I didn't realize what happened and thought the Deca cycle I am on had me bloated, and was spiking my BP from water retention. So I took an otc diuretic and some vitamin C and tried to lay down, noooope. Finally at 2-3 am I was calm enough to take some Benadryl and fall asleep...rough night, for the next two weeks I had minor anxiety about my Deca shots because I thought it was that, it happened on a day I did my first shot of 375 Deca 62.5 test...after a few more shots with no similar effects I realized that some of that fucking trash clen somehow had not gotten pitched..
Now I'm 4 weeks in, 8 pins, and have 0 problems...wtf. felt like a rookie dumb fuck. Amateur mistake.
Alphamale500Yeah your mind will play tricks on you making you think your reaction is coming from the deca when it's really from the clen. The mind is a powerful thing!
It's funny mate as the last time I had flu I was taking Vitamin C tab's which were of the larger dose, I was then feeling edgy as hell for hours afterwards coupled with feeling ill from the flu. I found out it was the Vit C tabs eventually that was doing this as its quite stimmy in its effects on you. I hate caffeine for the same reason also, 1 can of Redbull and I cannot get to sleep all night.
Wow you learn something new every day! Never heard that vit c is stimmy bud? I never noticed anything before when using in high doses? Wonder if it only affects certain people?
Yeh a lot of Dextrose tabs and formulas have it added to them for that same effect I think, its an energy releasing vitamin also like B's are so I guess for that reason also.
AnonIt is definitely a mild stim, it also helps shed water, which in turn can make you irritable due to dehydration..if I take a diuretic and don't have enough water I get a very minor headache, but a whole lot more irritable. Vitamin C included..
Alphamale500Most ppl who take vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) don't experience any stimulating effects. Vitamin C is generally not known to have any stimulating properties. However, in some ppl who take very high doses of vitamin C, it can cause stimulating effects. Although the exact cause of these stimulating effects aren't known, but it's possible it can be a type of placebo effect. But I guess everyone can have different effects from using different substances.
RustyhookerIts not s neoroligical stimulant like caffein. It does work as antioxidant which relieves stress...causes the wellness/upbeat mood.
Alphamale500That's kinda how taking a Vitamin-B complex makes me feel. And actually, there's a little bit of vitamin C in those as well!
Yep bad sh1t for sure mate. I used to use ip China 200mcg combined with some ketotifen all in one tab. Made me drowsy but couldn’t sleep from my heartbeat jumping out of my ears and calf/ab/hip/quad/everything cramps lol all in the name of getting a shitty trophy! Crazy! Used to do some high doses with gear on SHIC’s aswell but I believe if anything will have caused any damage in hindsight it’s the clen. In my day when I was using it (17-20 yrs ago)it was recommended to use in pct aswell just because someone saw a study once that cows increased muscle and lost fat (but that was onthe equivalent of several mg rather than mcg’s), nobody knew of the damage it could be doing.
Bang'emive tried it and its never done anything for me, no effects
Do you mean no effects as in no fat burning or do you mean no nothing? No increased heart rate? Shaking, cramping etc etc?
Alphamale500Clen in PCT?? I never heard of that. Even if it is good for PCT, no more clen for me, lol!
jayiski remember doing that back in the 90's a couple of times. Not sure of the reason but it must have been in one of those steroid bible type books back then before the internet. Think it was just that and nolva. Just cause that is what other people did.
AnonYeah it was supposed to suppress cortisol and preserve muscle..clen is junk in my book.
Glad I’m not the only old bastard on here Jayisk haha
jayiskLmao.., yeah there seems to be a bunch of grumpy old bastards floating around...haha
Yeah, definitely not smart if you are trying to preserve size gains during PCT!
Alphamale500I agree, that's total bullshit man!
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I will say that I personally love clen when cutting. I know a few people who have reacted vet poorly to it but it's never caused me any issues. I just wouldn't run it during PCT.
Alphamale500If you can deal with the stimulating effects of clen, then yes it can be great. From what I've read and heard from other ppl, it's definitely effective at burning fat and when used while cutting. I don't doubt its effectiveness. It's just the over-stimulating effects that I get from it, along with the shaky feeling, anxiety and "heart attack feeling" that I hate! On top of that I have anxiety issues to begin with, so not the best mix for me, lol!! But if you can take it without the negative effects, more powerto you bro!
Yeah, I could see where it would be a nightmare with anxiety because it does make my mind race! It's not unbearable though and will worth the results for me. But again, that is just me.
Theory was that clen was anti-catabolic to preserve muscle when your hormones were getting themselves back together and you were able to eat a bit more to help with the inherent catabolism of pct without gaining fat.
That was the widely accepted theory at the time anyway.
Yep some OG bro-science for you there bud lol
Alphamale500For sure. Bro science bullshit! Lol.
I don't really regret anything but if I had to pick one it is the obvious. tren.
Alphamale500Just wondering, what are your reasons for picking tren? Because you can't stop using it now?
No, not at all. My only regret of it is relationships that were damaged or destroyed while on it. Even tho I still cannot pin point for sure tren was to blame, shit happened while on tren.
Funny you say that. That’s the one reason I haven’t used the four bottles of acetate I have. I don’t wanna lose the wifey. I tend to be aggressive off cycle. I can’t imagine what tren will do.
Alphamale500Oh, I got you. The craziness and aggressiveness that tren causes! It certainly does make you crazy imo.
PcushionTrenbolone.... that’s the monkey on my back. Should of left that damn bottle with a cap on it.
Alphamale500You say tren because you love it so much like an addiction, right?
PcushionHell yes! Man in my body there are not three compounds combined that can do what tren does no matter the goal. The worst part is I don’t get the side effects most people do. No aggression, insomnia, night sweats, crazy spouse cheating paranoia etc. Its just a compound stronger than any human body was meant to receive and I don’t even get the unwanted sides most people do that scare me away.
jayiskwith gear i did everything you shouldnt have at one point or another. Early days cause of lack of knowledge. no internet just do what everyone else did. Then some things out of being stubborn and just trying to get bigger and stronger.
No regrets with the gear though. One of those things you learn from in life and try to educate younger gym bros about or older newbs.
My biggest regret was ever trying opiates. Now thats straight from the devil. something that feels so great and then destroys everything so quick.
Alphamale500I hear you about the opiates bro, and I have that regret as well! And I think that's a very important aspect to bring up, because it seems that so many former opiate addicts kind of switch addictions from opiates to gear! It's very common to see former opiate addicts that are now clean or taking methadone, suboxone etc. as a form of treatment, to basically just change addictions to AAS. It's a very complicated issue, that's for sure!
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x Damn 2 - You can very easily destroy your whole life and every relationship around you within 24 hrs on them things. Living with a bit of unease is much better than using that sh**.
RustyhookerNon pharma pct. By week 2 of pct it was ALL bad. Sad, cry, no focus...lost all gains. Get pharma or proven pct. And always keep backup of everything on hand. Ordering from sources is only to restock next cycle
PcushionYessir you said it. Been there done that!
RustyhookerIts hard to fully explain right? But something you know you never want to feel again. Lol!
PcushionAbsolutely! If you get burned by that lesson more than once... your an idiot.
Alphamale500For sure! Even worse is a PCT protocol from the vitamin store. Like those ones they had yrs ago in the vitamin store, lol!