Beginner here, opinions wanted.
Hi, I'm probably going to start my first cycle within the next few weeks (test only, 500mg/week). I've done a fair bit of research but I'd love to hear some thoughts on a couple of points that I'm still unsure about.
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I would be using a test blend which contains 200mg enanthate, 100mg cyp, and 50mg prop per ml. Because the proportion of the short-estered prop is so small, I'm assuming that I could get away with an E3D schedule while the enanthate and cyp keep me relatively stable. Am I mistaken? First cycle and all, so while I'd prefer not to totally waste the prop, I'd like to avoid pinning ed or eod.
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I currently have no AI (source only stocked proviron, which was out of my price range). I know using one as a preventative measure against gyno/bloat is highly recommend, and that it may even aid a bit with gains. But there seems to be about a 50/50 chance of getting scammed if I order liquid from a domestic research company. I've also read that most people can run a 500mg test cycle without encountering any significant estrogen-related sides, and money is tight at the moment so I'm leaning toward trying my luck. Bad choice?
If I did start to show symptoms, I would use nolva immediately as a stop-gap and end up having to order from a research company anyway.
Thanks everyone.
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Unfortunately that's a dumb blend for a supplier to make, it doesn't allow any good use of the prop and phenyprop in the place of cyp would have been so much more ideal for you. There's one research company with great bloods proving their ai is superb, and the price is not outrageous. I would literally scrap the idea of getting any use out of the prop ester and just run it at .75cc Monday and thursday. if it was phenylprop instead of cyp I'd say pin every third day but with this particular blend there is absolutely no point. 37.5mg prop is nothing, so like I said just scratch the idea of that really working in your favor. Get an ai and get your pct. anytime you introduce exogenous testosterone it will aromatize and convert to estrogen so just because you don't get gyno doesn't mean your estradiol levels aren't elevated. However I also wouldn't start running it until week 4 either and then straight up to pct. you can order pct for a reasonable price and get started when you have everything ready. Like I said, ai you can have for 40-45$ after shipping and that will last you two cycles most likely.
if money is tight brotha, hold off on a cycle til you have everything situated..i know its hard cause you wanna get jacked but its better to have all your chips layed out so your prepared for anything. some prefer to buy all their gear at once others piece by piece..whatever the case may be just be prepared..you'll be a lot happier with your cycle when everything is layed out.
good luck on the cycle btw
I have another couple of newb questions on the prop if you don't mind. If I do pin 2x/week, is the prop essentially wasted (like taking 430mg test instead of 500)? If not, considering the very brief ester, would it be more beneficial to pin the morning of either rest days or gym days?
cdaddy7Monday and thurs is ideal. The prop won't exactly be wasted you just won't have the stable blood levels with it like you will with the long esters, they will make the difference. At this point you already have the gear so I set it up where you can get the most out of what you have to work with. Which is good enough to make you a good first time cycle and if you and your body decides to go again. Well we pick either test e or Cyp and no blends, but we will b fine this ride
Great, I think that answers all of my questions. Thanks again.
cdaddy7You will be fine pinning twice a week even though there is prop in it. First, I Wouldn't dare start that cycle without an AI and your PCT ready to go. Reason is what if you have to stop suddenly and you don't have your PCT to start...Not good...Secondly, just because you don't have estrogen symptoms don't mean you don't have high levels of estrogen going on which robs you of your gains...Believe me any high dose of Test is gonna get converted unless you are using an AI to stop it. So it makes it a must not an option. Nolva is not going to work. Third, their are plenty of reputable src on the site. You will find their credibilty in the SRC reviews and supp threads where members can tell you. We cannot recommend or advertise in this forum...Just help you with your diet, training, and cycles...Now to help you out I got you the ideal cycle mapped out for you and yours should look like this with all the ingredients on board before you start:
Week 1-12 Test E/Cyp/Prop blend @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD or Arimidex .25mg every 3 days start no later than Week 3
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
This link will help you in your research of everything:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-n...
Thanks for helping me out, very glad to hear that 2x/week will be sufficient and I'll definitely follow that schedule. I do have enough Nolva and Clomid on hand for PCT, so no worries there. And you've convinced me to pick up some adex, so I'll choose carefully and hope I receive a legitimate product.
Thanks again for your help cdaddy!
cdaddy7I do want to add that Fast is correct a blend is not really the way to go, but if thats what you have to work with I think with the long esters in it of E/Cyp in bulk of mgs you will b okay
Thanks, that's what I thought as well. Don't have a choice now so hopefully all goes well.
cdaddy7You will b just fine with that blend bc the high mgs of Cyp/e and they are long esters and thats what u need really
Good stuff bro.
My advice is to make sure you have an ai before you start your cycle. Better safe than sorry. Make sure you also have nolvadex and clomid for pct. The gyms not going anywhere buddy, be prepared.
Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely all set for PCT.
cdaddy7I need your stats and age. I got your answer if you give me some info. It's protocol brother
Sorry! Will turn 27 this month, 6 foot even, 180 lbs, BF around 8-10%.
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