posted Fri, 01/27/2012 - 01:33
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Anyone training through long-term pain
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I've got a couple of long term (basically permanent) injuries from a sports career that basically aren't going to get better this side of the surgeons knife (and then the odds aren't good). Anyone in the same boat - training through pain - and what are you doing re it in terms of coping?
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I have had chronic medial epicondylitis (golfers elbow) for years, it used to just come and go but after a cortisone shot last year it has basically been a constant pain in the ass. Since then i have had a series of blood injections into the elbow and there has definitely been an improvement, with a few more to go.
Training wise i guess i am lucky in that i still can do all the big movements pain free (chins are hit & miss). Direct arm and some shoulder work is out. Most of the experts agree that this shouldn't be problem.
I have also suffered 2 acute injuries from years of BJJ training, both requiring surgury. A knee reco and an elbow reco. Both put me on my ass for months with no training. And both times i made a determined effort to return to the gym.
Before I say this ...I want to differentiate the types of pain I have experienced.
I have Osteo-Arthritis and tendonitis(everywhere). They are usually dull aches and occasinally some stabbing pains if I step, move or twist wrong (or sit, stand or squat for to long in one position. They are rough and I have had periods where I chose not to workout because I was feeling sorry for myself. The result was that I got fat and winded and that caused even more pain. I also developed GERD from long term use of NSAID's (motrin). I have found that if I am going to be in pain then I want to get something out of it. GO TO THE GYM... For the Cardio i do things like swim, synergy and Zumba (thats right I openly admitted to doing ZUMBA). LOW IMPACT is the key for me...then I train my muscle groups sensibly (FORM IS EVERYTHING).
Now there is another kind of pain(shoulder)...the kind that makes me so I can't sit still. I start pouring sweat and I will suck a frogs dick if I think i will make me feel better. For that I get a shot of NSAID's(TORADOL is what they usually give me) immedialy and follow up with hydrocodone! I find that I get that problem more when I don't work out though. (ie physical therapy)
To prove the point, the last time I got that pain I was just raking the yard for 30 minutes and had to go to urgent care...but i hadn't been in the gym for months when it happened. I just swam 500 meters a few days ago and did 14 pull ups. Nothing more than some sore pecs (and honestly that was probably from my bench the next day).
Most of it is mind over matter, good dieting/supplements (like was already suggested)and pushing yourself smartly. I love to read about others in here that have these pains because it reminds me that I am not alone and that I can push through the day to day stuff...Mental attitude is most of it for me...and when its not enough thank God for the opiate trees in the east!!!
No one answer is right...but what i saw in your post was PERMANENT and COPE. That is how I cope...my wife calling me a pussy helps too...IF you need any ideas as far a other meds that might help, you can add me and we can talk more...i have tried them all and might have some insight. ANYWAY...Stay Strong and keep the faith! MAC
I would highly recommend Mod GRF 1-29 and Ipamorelin 3x times a day...it is proven in clinical trials to strengthen tendons,ligaments, repair and rebuild cartilage, increase collagen syntheseis/formation and drastically improve the healing process. And for just your shoulder ..if you have access to a speed bag then that is a great piece of equipment for strengthening up your rotator cuff. I would also make rehab excercises the main focus of your training. but imo taking gear to trian and work though i njuries is only going to set you back farther...becuase all it is doing is masking the pain/injury temporarily and then when the cycle is over and the water retention in the synovial joints return to pre-cycle synovial fluid levels ..all your going to be left with is more pain and and possibly a worsening of the injury.
Many thanks for the ideas.
i started bodybuilding at 16 and my shoulders are destroyed, im 30 now and every doctor says surgery but i never did it. I do excersises that dont hurt my rotor cufs but thats almost imposible when bodybuilding. for example flat barbell bench kills them but i can do dumbells or if i do barbell it has to be lighter weight. So find out what you can do and not do, and modify the workout so you can still get thru it with minimal pain, but the pain is always there. remember bodybuilding is not for everyone and when the doctor told me i had to stop i couldnt because BB is with my soul forever.
Yaep bro had a car accident 10 fractures in my rotator cup.took alot of GHRP6 and insulin that did help.Dr put my on meloxicam.Got my bench to 455 and still in pain but not going to quit.Tren a and test is helping but stop the high volume traning and do heavy low reps helped me.I am 47 years old 198lb
My doc told me last summer i have osteo arthritis in my left hip joint very painful shoots up my lower back need a hip replacement doc said im to young so im steal researching. Deca really help when on a cycle.
Tennis elbow is usually a sign of a muscular imbalance. Build the weak muscle (typically forearm) and the problem will sort itself.
Fuc ya bro! Shoulders the worst! Front raises and laterals the worst! Wtf can we do bro? And up rite rolls!
Dude I have got the worst fukin tennis elbow that kills me24-7 and can't find it in my heart to quit liftin for 6 months like doc said! I will go nuts literally! No gym is like no sex! Hel no I bear the pain and hit that shit!
Thank you gentleman. EVERYONE'S replies are very well appreciated. I'll give tumeric and glucosamine chondroitin a 'serious' go - I've played around with them but think I'll try a 3 month 'trial' to see what the effects are. I have tried HGH twice once as long ago as 1991 when it was being touted as the holy grail and 18 months ago. All I seemed to get off it was leanness, but little in the way of injury rehab. I'm presently taking Baclofen Lioresal which is proving a limited help and looking at (injectible) Myoril, but I may be going up the 'wrong street' with those by just addressing the pain?
Injuries to both shoulders put an early end to my rugby career at 19 years old. I have never really been able to train my shoulders in isolation so have had to rely on other moves bringing my shoulders in to play. Recently though since I started HGH and AS I have been able to do some shoulder work. At the moment very light I will increase when I feel I can push it a bit more. Going to stay very aware and keep my ego out of it.
tread-mLooking at your situation I can only tell you what seems to have helped my situation over the years here. I had cronic situations as you mention, maybe not as bad, but had 1 knee bother me in a big way and 1 elbow that was cracked in an unforunate trying to be a kid again on a skateboard accident (not sure what happened, pulled my pants down below my ass and the whole deal?). as well as a couple of trouble spots in tendon situations and a little "golf elbow" shall we say. Over a period of time adding supps etc I have pretty much no problems and no pain including during workouts. The knee thing ended almost immediately as Ij started taking presciption strength glucosamine chondroitin (not even sure you can get or need that strength anymore) and then slowly as I added other tbhings everything healed. I added hgh into my daily mix quites a while back and I have to assume that has made a world of difference although, one tendon problem popped up since then and just could not get it to let up. Training through the pain, dropped weight and slowly built back up letting it strengthe. All the while pain and never could pull the larger weight on curls during any of that. My wife suggested turmeric as a try and I gave it a go. Within 2 weeks I'm on my game again! So now in addition to my regular supps I use glucosamine chondroitin, turmeric and hgh. Literally no pain ever as it pertains to injury old or new and no knee issues etc. Not sure if its just all supp magic or my combinations or what but there it is. Side note, heard from one user recently he had blood pressure dropping to dangerous levels using high doses of turmeric so not knowing any more than I do about that situation I would say keep the turmeric at normal recommended doses to be safe with it. I think it is very healthy but anything can be abused....good luck with it brother, I know it sucks!
Can i ask how much of dosage you have used with turmeric? I have been conssisently training with shoulder (tendon) problems and will def give it a shot '
In terms of the glucosamine chondroitin and turmeric combo what dose (roughly) have you found to be beneficial? I'm now round to physically taking such again having had some arrive.
As we stand my (1) right delt has scar tissue issues (2) my left knee gives long standing pain (3) and my right elbow gives me intermittent pain. 1 and 3 go back 20 years. 2 is probably Anno DominI. 1 has been a candidate for surgery for at least 2 years (been putting off and trying everything/anything to avoid. At almost 49 I'm concerned I'm 1 good injury away from my golf game being my main source of exercise.
I do train sensibly (flat benching is gone), squats are no more than 350 lbs etc..., but I'm still in constant pain when I train. That said, I'm presently coaching in Rugby League in Northern England so I do frequent a (work) gym inhabited by several Australian monsters which doesn't help in 'sensible' terms.
Just wondering if anyone was on anything natural(ish) other than codeine, naproxen or worse to help them through workouts?
Brother I've had lumbar herniation from falling 20+ ft and later two disc rupture in my neck. I have synthetic discs and a metal plate with six screws in my neck bud. It's been the hardest thing I've ever dealt with. I rehabd my ass off. I ended up finding out I had low t as a result of all the follow up care and once I started trt I felt an added desire to return to the life of training I had previously lived. After surgery I gained a shit load of weight and I started my rehab almost exclusively doing cardio only. Once I started feeling strength just from that I worked my way up to light weight training. After about a year I was running again without pain and doing 3x a wk weightlifting. It was a slow but steady progression that made me desire even more to never let my injuries define me as who I am. I pushed and pushed thru the pain and soreness which never really ever goes away. I believe in mind over matter now like never before. I am almost at full function now minus holding my head in a turned position for extended periods.
I believe truly that life has a way of showing u what is possible and impossible. The deciding factor for me on which would accept was the Challenge! The challenge of not giving up. Of not living in the role of a victim. No poor me attitude no self pity. No easy way out. It's going on close to 7 yrs from my first injury to lumbar and 3 yrs since my neck. I still am pushing myself to climb the metaphoric ladder of my personal recovery. I intend to do so until I die. I refuse to stand put. Even it it takes me the rest of my life.
I would rather spend a lifetime moving a mile than spend one day going absolutely nowhere. Life ain't easy homie it's all up to u!
AnonAfter multiple surgeries to put me back together I had one more to "make me better" and that backfired. IME surgery is a last result measure.
I have figured out what exercises are "worth it" and which are not. I train around my trouble area and not one day I don't have at least BP issues pounding that injury site while training the opposite end of my body.
Set down any ego, big weights and learn. I've come a long way despite the odds.
I have had a few tendon ruptures and surgeries. But I can tell you its never the same even after going under the knife. On cold days I feel it even more plus not getting any younger. For me the best way to cope is to make sure I warm up well first and just listen to my body. If a weight feels too heavy meaning it is putting too much stress on the joint/tendon instead of the muscle I back off a little and just do more reps. The key is being smart in my opinion. I dont need to set any strength records and am just looking to build quality muscle so I make it work. Some times its a little frustrating seeing some young buck that I have 30 lbs on throwing around a lot of weight but again...have to be smart. I have found also that by doing what I do it helps to strengthen everything around the damaged area and lessens the pain.