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Androgens for Depression : Are they Nature's Intended Prozac?

INTRODUCTION

Throughout the years I've heard, and seen, questions like ''Can androgens cure Depression?'' and 'is Testosterone the solution to Depression', posed in and around the Fitness community. These types of discussions are indirectly supported at the Gym, and bathed in success stories of the affirmative where you hear one brotha' saying that his Depression ''resolved'' after the use of Proviron. Another saying that Masteron gave him euphoria. Mesterolone is ''just like Effexor''.

In fact, I'm willing to bet there aren't any more than a few persons per thousand who don't agree that androgen-like compounds provide a strongly noticeable boost in Mood. That's actually the high-point after all, for compounds like Masteron which have immense psychological effects, mainly offering a sometimes ridiculous boost in optimism, libido & mental drive [1] [2] [3].

...But let's not get started in saying that androgens are next Psychiatric breakthrough for that matter, there's still a lot of research to be explored...which we will hit in this article.

CHAPTER ONE : The Discovery of the Androgen

Androgens were first discovered in 1936 [4] [5]. Though the idea of male sex hormones and Testosterone have been inferred since the late 1800's, when the Harvard Professor Brown-Sequard first described his inadvertent use of it as an ''elixir'', the actual confirmatory research did not happen until University of Chicago's Professor of Physiological Chemistry - Fred Koch, obtained a large degree of the substance from bull testicles. In 1927, he injected it into castrated roosters, and confirmed the findings of Mr.Sequard's rejuvenating tonic [6] [7] [8].

Further research engulfed this mystery substance with curiosity and passion, tack on additional experimentation by other scientists in Amsterdam and Europe, and now you have a full scale steroid research program that finally materialized in the 1930's because now science had the capabilities.

Now they were able to isolate a pure form of testosterone and begin study on the effect this substance would have on humans. So in
1935 we had an extract of the hormone that we now know as testosterone. Later on that year they were able to chemically synthesize this hormone from
cholesterol. Around 1939 the Nobel prize in chemistry was given jointly to two scientists, Butenandt and Ruzicka. They partially sythesized testosterone
from a cholesterol base, and thus began the "golden age" of steroid chemistry that occurred in the period from this time into the 1950's.

This synthesized compound of testosterone as it was called, or more accurately a whole family of this compounds derivatives were ''officially'' discovered and classified between 1936 and 1950 [9].

Since these years, a whole heck of a lot of research has been done.

The prominent role of Testosterone in maintaining and gaining muscle mass was elucidated and defined [10].
The role of Testosterone in body fat and metabolism was made clear [11].
The role of Testosterone in general health and male vitality was a cornerstone in endocrine research [12].
The role of steroid derivatives and Testosterone metabolites was seen as having important roles in heart health [13].
The hormones role in cellular health was engaged [14].

CHAPTER TWO : Androgen's Two-Sided Establishment

For years there has always always been a clear two-sided establishment to the Androgen "craze". Health Officials actually attempted to underplay the benefits of androgens for a while [15] but they were vastly overshadowed by the tragic reality of Men with lower Testosterone dying from all sorts of diseases and disorders [16] and the reality of determined bodybuilders showing that even supraphysiological levels artificially administered isn't all bad.

If a strong built Physique isn't reason enough then the heart benefits of Testosterone being in the upper range, certainly are [17].

Of course, this doesn't stop "trendy" Western Doctors from trying to go on an illegitimate anti-masculinity crusade.

Then on the other side we have health officials.
Who...

Have falsely claimed that Testosterone is responsible for rage and wife-beating [18], a claim that was later debunked [19].
Claimed that Testosterone accelerates aging, a claim also debunked [20].
Tried to ban all Testosterone/prohormone supplements due to a superimposed perception of "danger" or risk to the public [21].
Attempted to say that Testosterone is the reason for disagreement in the world [22].
Claimed that Testosterone can cause premature death [23].

CHAPTER THREE : Never-land for the Androgen

There was a real crusade, an even stronger one than the one that ignited in the early 90's, a powerful law passed along with an anti-supplement campaign which left the old market in ruins [24]. Of course, both bodybuilders and their inevitable suppliers never actually run out of business. Demand creates opportunities and motivation finds the way to them. Circumstances change and laws are fought. In the meantime, products are re-labeled, chemists get more advanced and conflicts in the media continue [25].

Interestingly, during this time where the heat is on against androgens, Doctors ALSO play along and release even more damning statements "cautions" on Testosterone products and testosterone-like products [26].

...But then, it isn't all unfairly hammered against Testosterone - in 2004, the very year when all this shit was going down, Foxnews hopped on to a new study proving that low Testosterone can lead to memory loss [27].

Further studies vindicate Testosterone and reassure the public of its innocence [28].

CHAPTER FOUR : Androgen's Return from Exile

After years of slamming prohormones with new bills and harshly upping the anti-doping campaigns, things settle down in the Government a bit.

A new wave of research is commenced and Men everywhere are reaping the benefits of Testosterone Replacement Therapy [29].

The idea that it was ever even considered to be such a BAD THING is quickly being forgotten (although not by all) and instead reality vs convenience is the justification for the Testosterone revolution. Maybe, its second revolution.

Harvard comes forth with new articles - showing that the nations Top Universities are on for the truth and will show that Testosterone is of paramount importance in the Young and Aging Male [30].

CHAPTER FIVE : The Scales Tip Two Ways : Synthetic VS. Natural Androgens

Much of the biggest debate of course, remained with the conflict in research based on differential effects between natural and synthetic androgen substances. This confused some researchers, as they had assumed that 'bioidentical' hormones would produce similar results, yet it was deemed a milestone for the actual research, and the facilitation thereof.

So when you get one result from a natural androgen, and another result from a synthetic one [31], research has to be done to properly redefine the roles for these compounds, or at least find out where, the science went wrong. If that be the case of course. After redefinition, it was then that the proper roles can be elucidated for each set of substances, in order to continue researching where the continuance of androgen research can be applied. This goes for chronic disease states formerly or presently treated with androgens (i.e muscle catabolism, ALS, wasting disorder, Cancer and Depression), as well as future promises promoted by androgen research [32].

What was found is that the problem wasn't fully the difference between natural and synthetic, organic and man-made, endogenous or exogenous, but rather with the pharmacokinetics of the drugs, was a more common issue. Some of these synthetic compounds had issues with the liver (Deca, Winstrol, Trenbolone), and others simply had bioavailability issues, limiting human research. That didn't stop researchers from using them in in vivo studies though, nor in in vitro studies using the deceased. Ironic, but not inconceivable. These cases proved the test of time, and that androgens still remained a beyond promising treatment for many disease states - including Depression [33].

CHAPTER SIX : Enlightening the Androgen

If the phase of Androgen research continuously expanded, so would anabolic steroid users also have more to say [34]. Experiences, illegal or not, always end up providing useful feedback for Universities, Doctors, even the FDA. They won't admit it, necessarily, but it ends up doing them a great service - even if a bad decision follows.

As far as all the negativity, and to be perfectly honest - "negative" mood effects of high Androgen levels or steroid abuse in research are actually not that well-aligned. There are disagreements among researchers and Health Professionals - but perhaps most of all - the studies are clear.

IT IS NOT STEROIDS OR TESTOSTERONE THAT CAUSE THE MOOD SYMPTOMS.

It is the concurrent ABUSE - of both Testosterone AND Stimulants [35].

So let's explain WHY.

Long-term anabolic steroid use alters brain structure, cognition and receptor concentration [36], stimulants diminish brain activity over time [37] and decrease receptor concentration [38]. The combination of brain shrinkage, high blood pressure associated with concurrent steroid + stimulant use and decreased brain receptors leads to demeaning mental "side-effects" ...if you want to call them that.

Therefore, its NOT Testosterone or Androgens that cause any problems but the use of HARDCORE modified steroids like Nandrolone (Deca) along with stimulants or simply long-term use of them at all that leads to brain problems.

Which leads to behavior problems.

Which actually...

Justifies the case for ANDROGENS because NANDROLONE is NOT technically an androgen; its a Progestin-based steroidal compound.

CHAPTER SEVEN : Cognitive Benefits of the Androgen

If Mood is King for motivation, Cognition is the sword of winning.

Androgens are the equipment, the mindset and part of the Courage.

What more would one need?

So in studies, Testosterone improves Cognition.
Low levels of Testosterone are a risk-factor for BOTH Depression and Memory Loss [39].
Low Testosterone contributes to the development of Dementia [40].
So in all clarity, Testosterone and androgens in general (including DHT, androstanedione, and 3-alpha-diol; two important metabolites) are PRO-MEMORY/COGNITIVE substances [41].

CHAPTER EIGHT : Androgen's Can Play Risky or Risk-none

Androgens weren't just seen as risky because some of their synthetic counterparts could interact with the liver in a negative fashion, but rather, because of the hypothalamic suppression of natural hormone production. It was these reasons that put up a red-light on androgen research for a wider range of conditions. However, these days TRT is well-established and proves effective for even SSRI-resistant Depression, yet it suppresses the hypothalamus. Does that mean its dangerous? Not really. Just that one has to understand the risks, which are more of a major inconvenience, but after some time, mean infertility and other possible issues.

Dosing is very important, though. These compounds at lower doses tended to not have a big risk, not even much suppression, but the amount of 'low' we are talking about was too low for therapeutic value. Thus, it can't be assumed that using a Testosterone compound at super or ultra-low doses is the answer, because that would be a failed action-plan. Immediately. That also means, that somehow, for Depression at least, androgens would have to fall under a specific non-suppressing category to be ideal, of which there are basically none.

So, how the hell do we treat Depression with androgens, that don't exist?
The only way to play that card is with an androgen well-known, but not old-fashioned by any means, and by acceptance, that suppression goes with the territory.

Proviron, also known by its drug name, ingredient name; Mesterolone, is just about the only tablet that fits this profile.

Its even been studied in large pools of people in official research conditions, and has proven itself.

If you wanted to define another way this title fits in - let's look at Behavior in relevance to Depression.

Those who take too little risks never succeed, never get what they want, are often consumed by Fear/Anxiety and are more apt to desperation. Those who take too many risks, without calculation, too often, often come into contact with dangerous people, or results. But Androgens help to find a balance between risk-taking, and cautiousness, research suggests. This also is accepted in Adolescents, who sometimes are accused of taking "too many risks".

CHAPTER NINE & Conclusions : Are Androgens Suited for the Role?

Presented within this article are many bits of research along with Professional insights and my own conclusions based on such. There is no bias here. We (Area-1255) always go over the details fairly, the news, the research, all of it. Wherever there is room for open-analysis, we are there.

We do not have need to discriminate but see things as they are.

It is imperative to know that logic and common sense will allow many to come to these same conclusions - even if you don't have access to a computer or to research, personal observation and experience as to the health of those at the top of the hormonal mileau (such as Athletes) enjoy fabulous health benefits.

You will not often see an Olympian, or a bodybuilder in a "bad mood".

Assuming things are stable in their lives, you can guarantee they are living on their own natural ecstasy.

Perhaps of even larger importance, studies show even WOMEN benefit from Testosterone in treatment-resistant Depression [42]. That's right. So any of those athletic/fit women out there know the "true" reason why they have a better mood and enjoy life more. It can't be any clearer than it is examplified in human behavior.

More Androgens/Testosterone = better mood for all.

...But we should draw a line somewhere.

They are not necessarily cures and brain chemistry varies per person.

Therefore, we also should not ASSUME that Testosterone is the answer in everyone who suffers from Depression, but we owe it to ourselves to at least make it a consideration.

~Jason De'Russo/AMx ReBorN/D.Steckler of Area-1255.~

Jameshobbis's picture

Hahaha I had a feeling I'd see you here when I read the post above. I thought to myself I bet giardap is at it again! I scroll down and there you are ;) although I do agree with you mate!

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giardap's picture

Depression is not a game. This post could hurt someone.

If you take anything false that is included in your post out i am happy to give the karma point back

giardap's picture

Well, yes there is! As already clearly pointed out.
The neg stands so.. Ill say no more.

helloBrooklyn's picture

You mean nonsensical? Again, please cut it out. No need to be rude to other posters just because they disagree with you. Not cool bro. Let’s be respectful here.

giardap's picture

I was a bit rude to him too, in fairness.

Jayzgainz's picture

If a person has depression because of their low testosterone then sure, taking trt is certainly going to solve that issue. But I doubt it willl correct depression caused by any other factor and imo if a person takes a pin of androgens in the hopes of helping out their depression they may want to take a more indepth look at themselves.
I hope no one skims over this and thinks aas is a solution to their depression. There are better ways to get out of that funk.

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Jayzgainz's picture

My statement wasn't knocking the article. I was simply stating something I believe to be true. That is if your depression is caused by low t, then correct it with test. But someone who sees the header and has depression thinks taking dbol will cure their depression when there are probably other things influencing their life is not a good thing. Because contrary to popular belief everyone doesnt read every study cited or every sentence written. Dont be so dam defensive. If my comment wasnt written clear, my most sincere apologies.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

Don’t be afraid to knock the article. If any article ever deserved to be knocked, it’s this one. Pure trash.

Jayzgainz's picture

Why are you bashing people on a personal level? Why did you bother posting this article if you didn't want to hear anyones comments if they differ from yours? You put it up in a discussion forum. Things get discussed here and while we all may not agree, there is no reason to turn things negative.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

I can take being bashed, this article just hit home on a personal level because “supplementing” with androgens hasn’t helped my depression one bit. If anything it made things even worse. I’m not going to name any names, but I’ve had countless private conversations with people on this board, and let’s just say I’m far from the only troubled person on here. Saying anecdotally that most bodybuilders and juicers are happy or euphoric is pure nonsense. I’m sure these cases exist where someone can use steroids or participate in the hardcore bodybuilding or strength athlete lifestyle and have their mental health in perfect order, but I do believe that many of us become involved with this stuff because of low self esteem or some other similar issue. I’ll be upfront and say that’s what made me start lifting as a teenager: low self esteem and lack of confidence. These issues continue to linger to this day, I’m lot gonna lie. We may seem happy and we may project confidence, but that doesn’t necessarily bare what lies underneath the mask.

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Of course, anyone who comments on these forums must have thick skin. I've dealt with my own demons and issues as well. You are correct. There are many people here that can lay claim to having some sort of issue. TBH its one of the reasons I come here so often. I may not be in as good condition as most here but I feel a kinship with many.
I could be a poster child for your last paragraph this month. I go to the gym every morning. Im there from 5am to 630 every day and while im there I have no stress, no anxiety, Im happy I talk to everyone. Not one person there or even my training partner would guess the stress and anxiety I have had this month. Why I have it is not important right now but I really feel like its straining me but no one would ever know.

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kibby's picture

Bro I can relate 100% to this......very well said mate

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JARHEAD2's picture

Bro you’re right! People are individually different as well as anecdotes for individual circumstances. My wife suffers severe depression & does not respond to any antidepressants.
I’m sorry to hear that you’re still having issues, but you’re far from alone! Many do & some recognize it & some try to mask it. I’m always near if you ever need someone to vent to or just to talk with.

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That’s much appreciated and best wishes to your wife. We have a really great community here.

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JARHEAD2's picture

Thanks brother & you’re right we do :-)

helloBrooklyn's picture

Which confirms to me you have a BIAS

And you don’t? I’m all about innovation but there needs to be enough controlled studies done to produce an unbiased meta-analysis either way before making this kind of hypothesis public. Surely you can understand why this is a controversial and, dare I say, touchy subject.

Bearded_muscle's picture

Unnecessarily rude bro

helloBrooklyn's picture

Tell me you’re joking. It’s a bad article. Really, really bad. Why are you being so defensive like you wrote the damn thing? Please stop being rude. We don’t need to reinforce the stereotype that steroid users are douchebags, thank you very much.

Dr.BroScience's picture

"You will not often see an Olympian, or a bodybuilder in a "bad mood". "

Oh yeah, you will never see a starving 250 lb plus professional athlete dieting hard,
doing intense cardio for hours per day all while taking in more tren than a prize steer ,
ever in a "bad mood". How could they?

They are too busy "living on their own natural ecstasy"

Really? What a complete unscientific assumption to be found in a conclusion section.

I'm calling Bullshit

Dr.BroScience's picture

Are you insane?

A troll comment because I have a brain and can read?

Didn't read the context? What a gross ASSumption on your part! I wasted 10 minutes of my life reading your entire opinion piece.

So your conclusion for the entire piece was taking out of "context"? Do you know how dumb that sounds especially after my original post has direct bullshit quotes in it? Direct bullshit quotes found in a CONCLUSION Section!

Doctors for years have been prescribing proviron to fight infertility and depression. This is nothing new. But to take the leap that all Olympians are in a great mood living on their own natural ecstasy is as preposterous , asinine, erroneous, and obtuse as it gets.

Area-1255, aka Mr. Sensitive, stop posting bullshit and you wont be getting called out on it.

stairmaster's picture

It really depends on how high my E2 level is. Too low or too high and my mood starts to swing.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

Nandrolone is considered hardcore? That’s kind of a weak androgen, isn’t it?

You will not often see an Olympian, or a bodybuilder in a "bad mood".

Assuming things are stable in their lives, you can guarantee they are living on their own natural ecstasy.

No. No no no. Who are these writers to speculate on how other people feel? Have they learned nothing from Piana’s passing? All the not so great things that have been coming out about his personal life and how troubled he was? Based on how much he was using, though, whoever wrote this article must be in denial and think he was the happiest person in the world. “Assuming things are stable in their lives.” Lol talk about a cop out. In what fantasy land is this author living in where anyone’s life is stable 100% of the time?

+1 for posting, even if I don’t agree with the premise

IrishMack's picture

I agree, to say test is a mood enhancer is not correct, when you were going through puberty and had a ton of natty test going through, were you happy? I certainly wasnt, I was awkward, mood swings, the high school boner when the teacher wants you to go to the chalkboard. Fights, depression.

It sounds to me another person trying to justify their suprapsychological doses. Being on trt has only changed my body and my libido, it has done nothing for my happiness or well being.
I wasnt pointing at you brooklyn, but adding to exactly what you wrote. I do not agree with the author and could poke a thousand holes in his novel.

helloBrooklyn's picture

Great point about puberty. I know it was a rhetorical question, but no, I was not happy. “High school boner” might be a misnomer, though. I’m still getting those in college :(

Or should it be Smile

I honestly don’t know anymore.

IrishMack's picture

Its ok to not know, just take a shot of test and you will be happy again rofl.

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Hmm, the longer I write a post, it double posts.

woodsman's picture

Dear sir.
I am your canary in the coal mine.
Afflicted with unexplainable fibromyalgia,polymyocitis,myofascial pain disorder,and the accompanying mood disorders that come with a decade and a half of unredeemable chronic pain.

Having been evaluated by over 30 physicians in a 300 mile radius and left standing,left under the care of old school physicians who treated me properly due to 100 years of medical experience with
escalating opoid therapy for 15 years,just to be left stranded for the last two years due to "political" environment.
I started self trt about a yr before my pc doc got slammed and left me stranded.
I saw it coming, I saw the writing on the wall.
I KNEW I HAD TO BE STRONG to survive the LACK of care that was coming.

Now I will tell tell you basic trt is not enough for me to break even on basic human functioning.

I need to run hot just to break even.

If this is the end of my life so be it, I tried my best to survive.
Better to perish trying than at the hands of incompetent Political butchers.
NO I WILL NOT TAKE YOUR brain pills because the docs cannot understand wtf is going on.
I am talking basic muscle function, above and beyond any psych shit.

woodsman's picture

Yes sir.
I'm aware there is no cure.
I'm merely seeking quality of life during my time.
Opiods gave me recovery sleep,that was taken away.
Compensate best I can

woodsman's picture

I guess I got off topic regarding androgens and mood disorder.
My topic is androgens and muscular functionality during immune disfunction/inflammation/pain disorder.
I don't expect anything except condemnation.
Sorry for the off topic.

Sam I Am's picture

He’ll get some melatonin or remeron. There’s other things besides opiads to help sleep.

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Gh0st's picture

Melatonin is a good place to start. 3-6mg. Remeron not so much. Many SSRI’s including the atypicals and a lot of TCA’s actually decrease delta wave sleep as well as REM sleep. Benzos are no good either. Anti histamines like Benadryl or Vistaril would be better with less long term side effects. Or you can go the natural route and try holy basil, valerian, and others. There’s also good research on noise machines that’s seem to be helpful. First and foremost- routines and lifestyle change.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

I don’t believe there’s any research that conclusively proves that melatonin supplements do anything. If someone is already using benzodiazepines for their intended purpose prescribed by a doctor (like myself), ,5 mgs alprazolam to sleep works wonders.

Gh0st's picture

For secondary sleep disorders you’re right, the evidence in inconclusive. Does that stop docs using it as a first line agent in the general population? No. It doesn’t. People can use whatever they want, whether it’s prescribed to them or not. Just because it’s prescribed by a provider doesn’t necessarily make that provider right. There are so many quack doctors out there that just right scripts it’s disgusting. I prefer to treat patients with something that is going to better them for the long term, as a stepping stone while correcting their lifestyle habits vs giving them something that has a large potential for abuse and other possible issues like drug interactions. That’s never included Xanax 5mg at bedtime. But that’s just me.

Edit: I read my post back to myself and, to me, come off defensive. I’m not. Always open to discussion on stuff like this. Also, saw your , in front of the 5. Assuming making it 0.5mg Xanax. Much more reasonable lol.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

Sorry, got in the habit of not using leading zeros in lab. We weren’t allowed to. Yes, 0,5 mgs. 5 mgs, no thanks. I’ve never gone that high, ever, even for my worst anxiety attacks.

Sam I Am's picture

Order the Solgar brand and try it . Puts the lights out.

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