posted Sat, 09/22/2012 - 17:55
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I just read to start Ameridex 2 weeks before you start youre cycle,This drug does not need to be combined with any other during the cycle; however I recommend you begin using arimidex two weeks prior to commencing your cycle so that the drug can effectively eliminate the enzyme that permits conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Clomid is still useful in the post cycle period.Does any one have input on this?Please and Thank You!
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cdaddy7Ok M, here's your layout with the options....Very simple yet with your diet on point will yield nice gains
Week 1-12 Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week Monday/Thurs)
Aromasin 12.5mg or Arimidex .25mg Every 3 days and start no later than week 3 and all the way to the day you start your PCT
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
sorry i see its hard to know with out blood work so dont worry about that last post,but if you use 500 of teste then you are gonne have a whole lot more t tring to convert yu have to so why do i see wait till you see sides even if you dont feel the effects it has to be there doesnt it?
cdaddy7Understand everyone is different, we are merely giving u sound advice from our experiences and our bloodwork...if you want to start your AI sooner than go for it....It's what ur body says not us and u will need blood work Precycle for your baseline, 5-6 weeks in ur cycle, and 6-8 weeks post cycle...that will tell u everything...by the way the Aromasin is taken every other day, I see I accidentally left that out...Also bear in mind its important that you understand that just because your are not experiencing sides doesn't mean the estro is not high on the inside and it will inhibit your growth potential big time...That is the extreme importance of bloodwork Pre, During, Post...Just bc you don't feel it doesn't mean everythings ok bro...Just keep that in mind...
While i have youre ear,what about supps like creatine,during cycle should this be used with the water deal or just protien shakes?
cdaddy7Leave the creatine out of the mix u will have enough going on with body with ur body.....consider creatine PCT, it can help u with ur endurance with ATP utilization
cool ty cdaddy!
no i caught myself ,i am like asking you to see future ,while you are at it whats the lotto #s, like its a science sorry yes blood work only way to know for sure,and i wont be so i will look for signs and then if none i will start week 3 test must be high by then and tring to go to estro so yes three it is all so simple but i must say it took a couple weeks to learn about pct looking back really simple block estro while on it then block and try and raise it when off,get back to norms .Now diet diet diet,lift lift lift,sleep sleep sleep!TY cdaddy
cdaddy7Check this out to help you understand bloodwork
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/labs-and-values-defined...
level said to start arimidex at week four?TY cdaddy
I am sorry to say you are wrong. Arimadex does not eliminate the enzymes that test turns into estrogen. What it does is give you a good balance of test /estro as some estrogen is good to have in your body. In fact the balance with estrogen actually makes the test more abundant in your body. There for you getting more out of the test I think and don't quote me the arimadex affects of lowering estergen by 50% actually increase the potency of the test by 30%. It is in that ball park without going back and researching it aagin. Never the less estrogen in some ways is your friend.
cdaddy7Correct too much of estro is a bad thing, but too little of estro is bad thing too +1
I am just tring to put together a test e 500 a week ,12 weeks cycle.
That's fine but the adex at.5mg eod will help keep unwanted side off and help the test do its job better
Its not my personal info it is from streiod tips .com i was wanting to find out about it.
its a good thing you ran that idea through eroids. no worries, these guys know their stuff.
@cdaddy, new o this nd i am tring earn much as i cn, it does not seem to be cut ad dry!Thank you for youre time so is it fair to say that AI is something that is differant for each person,but pct is a must for all with clomid and nolva?
cdaddy7The only thing that differs with a person on AI is whether they use Aromasin or Arimidex...it's your choice...I prefer Aromasin....the start times vary bc one person will start it week 1, another week 2, I start week 3....It's all about knowing ur body...now there is no choice or variation in the standard PCT of Clomid/Nolva....they are BOTH required...I laid it all out for u in the other thread
@fast48 i posted a lengthy one in another forum ,sorry if that brothers you wasnt sure if it was correct to post in general forum
you had it in the right place, just dont cloud up the forum with the same post so you can get direct linear responses
Thanks just learning here , sorry for the mix up!!!
its all good man
i have not done a cycle in like 18 years so its alot more info,than what we used to do.So should i run with a AI from beggining or just pct 2 weeks after last injection?
Ai about third week in. yes the changes are Nice in ai/pct info. Back then it was just use hanfull of what ya have for everything. Lol! Welcome to eroids.
Post stats and lets get a cycle rolling....
look over in your post that you put in the pct category. fast cdaddy hit all the specifics...run ai starting around week 3-4, im 3 weeks in and havnt started yet just because i havnt noticed any sides. if i dont notice anything i still plan on starting around week 5 then will get blood work at week 7 to see where im at. run your ai all the way to pct so you dont get rebound estro. start your pct 14 days after last shot of test e and run your clomid nolva pct as stated in your other thread
cdaddy7Nolva and Clomid together are a MUST post cycle....the start of an AI varies from person to person and depends on their cycle and what compounds they use....I just say for sure, start no later than week 3 of your cycle and take it until the day you start ur PCT
No they are not a MUST as you say but strongly advised. You can successfully recover 1) without pct (not recommended) 2) with nolva and aromasin 3) with clomid only. However the combination of clomid and nolvadex is most ideal for a successful and speedy recovery. Next time don't cap everything if it's not an actual fact.
cdaddy7My purpose was to emphasize to the new guy here the importance of Nolva/Clomid...of course there are other means, but he's not advanced and knowledgeable at this point to know options.....as for u, I would expect none the less of a dispute bc thats ur greatest attribute is controversy for some reason....Sry for giving a shit and tryn to guide the inexperienced gentleman here in the right direction so he could have better PCT recovery
I spent about 2 minutes writing a response that I deleted because I didn't care enough. Keep doing what you're doing, your high karma is clearly indicative of your ability to post great information.
Sorry to keep asking you all these questions,well not sorry enough to stop apperntly! ha ha ha but how do i get enough karma to give you a thumbs-up for youre info?
Hey man,NO keep on helping i really ,as alot of others also want the info dont let someone else dictate youre will to inform! we see thru the help and those who want to help there own.And futhermore it is nice to see some diff ways,and that makes newbies as myself to do there own research which is a must anyway. TY, Ty all
Posting a full and proper pct and/or ai protochol is being responsible to the readers. Or ya get what we had yesterday with Mr estro being advised many forums thru cycle.....to using improper chemicals. It's the same pct protochols advised by the guru .
Dude re read my post I'm saying that just because it's the obviously most recommended doesn't mean you can make a fucking blanket statement that it's the only way you can recover from a cycle. If you read closely I said it is obviously the superior and suggested way.
Fact is you CAN recover without anything. If that is the route you are going to take however you pretty much wasted all the money you spent on food, AAS and the time you spent in the gym. 3 months after finishing your cycle all gains will be gone, wife or girlfriend will be looking for someone new to satisfy them. As a consolation prize, even though the girl is gone its likely that you will still have a set tits to play with.
Thought you would find my post interesting
Mod...pleasr delete this. Answered on his other forum.
You will get low estro signs which are not good what compounds are you running, stats, and cycle history
It will be just test e 250 2x a week 500 each week.
He's got two exact same threads. See other please.