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+ 16 A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE PATH TO A PROPER CYCLE HISTORY

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1st cycle: Test ONLY!
THIS is to gage how YOUR body responds to adding testosterone to YOUR system and how YOU tolerate symptoms such as retention, elevated BP and gyno. IMO have AI on hand but wait to see if symptoms arise. This is a learning curve for understanding YOUR body. Everyone responds differently so IF you do not tolerate well and run an AI because it’s suggested you may be masking symptoms and are losing out on some vital personal info that may come back and bite you in the ass. I, personally, tolerate test well but still utilize AI’s to limit the minimal symptoms that I will incur.

**A prop taper would be acceptable for by the time you finish cycle you will have a basic understanding on how you tolerate test (YES, prop is STILL test so its NOT a second compound) and you have a little pinning experience behind you to venture to new pin site territory.

2nd cycle: Test with a KICKER!
KICKER: A quick action compound to jumpstart your cycle while waiting for a longer ester compound to to kick in. Generally taken for 4-5 wks.

Now that you’ve learned your tolerance for Test you may want to branch out and get the feel for other compounds(although not completely necessary for one can make quality gains from Test only cycles for years to come) This usually comes in the form of an oral such as dbol, tbol or anadrol. It is suggested that you research these compounds so you have an understanding of possible sides and symptoms. With anadrol being such a toxic compound it really isn’t suggested that you start off kicking with it. Test Prop is an EXCELLENT choice to kick with but would probably be better suited for once you gain some more experience in pinning technique, site rotation and have trained your sites a bit more. Also be aware that PIP is a very common side of Prop that some may have a difficult time tolerating.

At this time you have already made note of what (if any) sides you have experienced with Test. So by using a kicker it would be easy to ascertain that any new sides developed in the first 4wks would be contributed by the use of your kicker (remember, you have researched so these symptoms will be easily recognized) and you have now increased your personal knowledge base.

3rd cycle: The STACK!
Now THIS is where “everyone” seems to want to start. If you slow your roll and follow the suggestion of the first two cycles some of you may be eternally grateful that you did because what happens when you just start bombarding your system with compounds and your body starts freaking out and your not quite sure which compound is causing what? You're FUCT! That’s what happens!

Now you tolerate test and the kick (or you haven’t but you learned how to manage the fallout) So now it’s time to STACK. The basic faves seem to be TEST w/ Deca or EQ (depending upon personal goals) Once again, research is vital! KNOW what these compounds do and learn about possible sides and how to manage them ESPECIALLY DECA! Deca is a 19nor and if are not even sure what that means then you better dig in to that fkn research cuz things can go really fkn wrong!

This is also an ideal time to incorporate the Prop kick. At this point you should have gained some comfortability with pinning so start making your bones with site rotation.

4th cycle: SHORT CYCLE!
I see a lot of guys starting off here, too. Usually it’s the guys who say shit like “I don’t want to get too huge…” Yeah, don’t worry you won’t! LOL! MOST guys will abandon this cycle as a first cycle because they have no idea what they are getting themselves into. The PIP, site rotations and overall commitment a short cycle takes is simply not within their realm just yet. And that does not make them stupid or weak, maybe just a little arrogant and/or nieve.

By now (theoretically) you have your basic fundamentals of compounds and pinning down. You have a few cycles under you and looking pretty dam BUFF! You’re thinking I’d like to lean it out or get some more definition (some of you will throw around words like “getting cut” or “shredded”) whatever… THIS is where you may start banging out the shorter esters and shorter cycles.

Now here are some basics:
1.) ED is optimal but most of you should probably run EOD just to cut your teeth.
2.) Short cycles are generally run no longer then 8 possibly 10 wks. (for novices) Any longer it just makes more sense to run long esters.
3.) Keep in mind that more compounds will inevitably lead to more pinning, so keep it simple at first.
4.) For some reason I feel it needs to be said but Prop does need to be incorporated in these cycles. TEST IS THE BASE OF EVERY CYCLE… PERIOD!

At this point you have a sound base of knowledge and experience. You have paid your dues. You have paid attention to your body, you have personal understanding of compounds and cycles (and hopefully AI’s, SERMS and PCT) and you have fine tuned your pinning technique.

NONE of this will mean shit if your diet and training aren’t ON POINT!

…and NO you are not ready for TREN yet (unless you’re a dumbass like brambo) LOL!

HllwdBdBoy's picture

BUMP

One of my betters for sure

B52-BODY's picture

excellent.!!!. Ive been running test for almost 4 months. (Nov last year.) 2 times per week.. been changing the amount on occasion to see what happens.. and other then a really nice increase in my appetite and some fat loss.. its been fine.. Im going to drop down the amount in about a month and run a long Eq/Test cycle.

wolverinewannabe's picture

Thank you whoever revived this thread and thank you hllwdfuboy for writing it!! This is the best post Ive read so far (and Ive been doing a lot of reading!). This one will be like the rules for me. Read it over and over til its memorized. Definitelly needs to be a sticky! If you dont Ill just post a reply bout once a month and move it right back to the top! Smile

Green Ranger's picture

I agree with pankration69 this should be a sticky! Thanks for sharing Hollywood.

Darktide's picture

This needed to be bumped imo should be a sticky in the "Cycle Logs"! +2

HllwdBdBoy's picture

Nobody reads the stickys LOL

wolverinewannabe's picture

Hey, I read the stickies! Well, as they apply to me anyway.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I,m still "sticky" from yesterday bro........ wish it was valentines day every fkn day OH YEAH!!

Engineereddisaster's picture

Thanks brother! I had a pretty good time too!
Sorry about the shirt!

Darktide's picture

Very true or seemingly the Rules for that matter lol. I am just going to copy this link for all first time cycle users. I have spent the last week reiterating this repeatedly in the cycle section to very little avail.

Green Ranger's picture

Sounds like a good idea Smile

Pale's picture

I agree, good post post Hollywood!

therealdycegame's picture

This is exactly what I needed bro. Once again let me apologize for the miscommunication earlier. I value and heed the advice of all the veterans around here

HllwdBdBoy's picture

BUMP

Arock's picture

Your post was trip down memory lane. From personal experience with my early years it was jsut that way- graduating to more complex compounds looking for synergy.

Here is the question- now Its been 10 years since those days of serious training and AS.

I am about to enter the life of TRT. Does my past usage (being so far remeoved from it) play any role in what products I use? I have only dibble dabbled since the serious days.

I have always been fond of TestE, Deca, Primo -Winny. I have never done Tren or Prop. Just got some Prop as kicker recently- Monday its showtime.

Im not looking for all that any more, but always felt a couple compunds together do miraculous things.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

IMO since your body has changed significantly in 10 yrs proceed with caution and get a feel for what "feels" right and run bloods to be sure

popeboy1's picture

always like reading your post brother, always direct and to the point, no where do i see anything to difficult to understand everything is very clear. great post hollywood +1 from me too!!!

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HllwdBdBoy's picture

Thanks bro, I try and keep it simple because alot of the time we think we're "breaking shit down" but still talking over the heads of those that really need to know. The "LH,HPT" stuff sounds like the fine print on the back of a dry cleaning ticket to some of these guys LOL!

popeboy1's picture

it sounds funny but even I had used AAS before I joined here, I would never knew what all this means, lets face it there are alot of terms abbreviated here on eroids and for someone starting out even with researching "how, when" to run a cycle properly, there are still alot of abbreviations most common research just dont cover, I remember I was that person that asked at one point what is PIP even though I knew first hand that prop was really bad about making you feel like a mule kicked you. Over the past year and a half here I have read post that sounded more like a bunch of Dr.'s talking to each other then bodybuilders lol. So when i read your post and your breaking stuff down to lamans terms and I can go back and start researching what youve broke down. I know it sounds funny and for someone who has been around bodybuilding and AAS their entire adulthood its easy to be a critic to someone who is asking what certain things mean but in all reality by breaking shit down its makes it easier for alot of people to start their research. anyways I just wanted to say thanks because it have helped me out alot

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Sumatra_Triangle's picture

This was a really great read. Well informed, great opinion, and I liked how you break down "The Stack"
I always enjoy reading your threads!

boots2asses12's picture

Brambi LMAO .
This stuff never get old, very nice! repeat repeat repeat...1

boom88's picture

+1 from me brother. Great post. This should be a mandatory reading for all noobs right next to Goths pre-cycle checklist.

ironman86's picture

very nice, i like the approach to indentifying sides and there causes, very beneficial post

tennessee21's picture

+1 very informative read right there!

MAC's picture

Great read hllwd, +1
This should be a sticky

Case21's picture

Great read even for those who have a few cycles under their belt. Main thing for beginners don't get in a rush do your homework and the results will be far greater.

RickRock1086's picture

Excellent work bro.

Detroitnate's picture

good shit bro + 1

PapaSwole's picture

WELL PUT! +1