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After doing some research and watching a buddy progress in this I have decided I am going to give it a try. My buddy paid a decent amount so was thinking of the information on here. However I was wondering the best way for me to cycle It for example how many mg first week, how many second week, etc. I will only be taking this as it is my first time. Also any post treatment advice is welcome. Thank you
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AnonBro you need to add some test in, or you're gonna be feeling lethargic like a motherfucker.. also, your gains will go bye bye (from what i've seen)
Yes I have decided to hold off on the var and keep it for my second cycle. I am going to be running omega t400 form9 weeks at 2 shots a week around 444mg per shot with Nolva as my pct 2 weeks after last shot
Anontest only is the way to go brother. 1 compound at a time. Slow and steady wins the race. Glad to hear you changed up a little bit
what is a better option bros? Running anavar at 50 mg ed for 12 weeks or go 75mg for 8 weeks?
Hey man this is a battle you will not win in the eroid community...i had this debate and decided that ALL these people can't be wrong therefore even after purchasing my var i decided to hold onto it for a second cycle and run some omega t400 2 shots a week at approx 200mg so take their Advice or don't up to you bu don't come back crying when u turn out worse then you started
2 points to you for making a wise decision!!!
tread-mThats like asking if being shot or being stabbed is better brother. Those are both terrible idea's without test and the 75 for 8 really is. Liver enzymes are altered beginning week 5 on those two runs but much more so on the 75 run obviously. The staple to any cycle, any cycle, is test. As you can see below, he is smart enough to take that advice. I hope you are. We're trying to help people here so don't take it personally, it is also our duty to call you out when you are spreading dangerous habits. That way even if you go forward with bad habiits maybe others realize its improper and don't follow your path. I actually run some pretty heavy var cycles and advise some to a few others but in a controlled situation where test is always present...without it is just a non-starter. Its two steps forward and then three steps back, we see it over and over again and since you're not special all the laws of biology apply to you too. Again, not being a dick , just a friend here...thats what we do.
I have Ordered 50 var tabs from bd and hoping to add a little test prop to it prob something like
8 weeks
Var 50mg a day
Test prop ether 50 or 100ml mon wed fri
The test is still up in the air I know everyone hates var only cycles but please refrain from your negative opinions but positive feedback welcomed
Well, I have to say this looks better...although I'd rather see you on a long-ester test with Var for the first 4 weeks or so, stretching out to about 12 weeks or so.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
Yea still looking to score some test prop my source here had a testerone blend not prop and all sources use on here require minimum and Normally would just order and save for my second go around but with chirstmas and new year cash little tight so I'll keep u guys posted hoping to start jan 2nd but getting down to the wire haha
GOOD DECISION!!!
Anonhonestly, if you know this and you still post for public consumption you really can't tell people to keep their opinions to themselves. The reality is that most people have already told you something that you don't want to hear. So telling them you don't want "negative" comments is trying to close the barn door after the horses have run out... Good luck with your cycle and I hope you choose to run the prop..
I just want to thank you all for all the advice
AnonI think Test should be a milestone/building block for any cycle
It is.
A complete waste of time and money.
WHERE in the FUCK do all these pill-munchers come from.....seriously?
Dude..Run your var for 8 weeks and in TEN weeks from now you'll be right back where you started from.....and in 12 weeks from now, you'll be SMALLER than you are now...and in 14 weeks, you'll be smaller yet, with a dick that works about half as well.
I'm SOOOO done with these guys who want to run oral-onlys.
Do what you want...and PLEASE post before and after pics so we can get a good laugh.
They come from inexperience.
Ran Var solo and loved it. Lost it all after the cycle was over. So tossed some money but learned something. Maybe it was something others already knew and said. That happens.
The vets here make a great case for Test: Simple and compelling.
Agreed.
Test will give you results...better results than Var, and you can keep a percentage of those gains permanently if you train and cycle properly.
We all learn through experience.
Agreed with this guy ^, run the fucking test and don't do below 60mg ed of Var. 10 weeks minimum on var, diet correctly, do your cardio, and push the shit out of yourself in the gym. Wrap up with Test Prop eod at 100mg. I did var the first time a few years ago before I knew anything about test and was happy until I stopped. But then again, I wasn't sure what to expect so any improvement was okay. Looking back now- I cheated myself. Shoot your magic oil in your glutes and do the cycle correctly.
AnonGotta agree with Goth.. you'll end up looking like him.... look at those red eyes! lol
Hi guys so after much debate and deciding I
Don't have the time to run a proper test cycle I'm still
Going to go with the var to achieve little better body and came across this great article for anyone in same situation as me that was skeptical about taking var only cycle
Going to ask about anavar alone? READ THIS FIRST
Going to ask about anavar alone? READ THIS FIRST
By Dflood @ AR
I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.
First, id like to get a few things straight about var .
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar , used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic , and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet ). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT .
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT .
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid /nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test /eq cycle . 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.
2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar , then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron , starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
2 - Pumps
When on var , the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var , its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.
LIVER PROTECTION
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid , and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle . A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.
I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision
Ok so after hearing everyone opinion on here and doing more research decided to go with
Test E 500mg/week pinning 250mg Monday/Thursday
Anavar 50mg/day (unsure if should add whole time or just second half)
Was hoping to do a ten week cycle so would do var whole cycle or just last 5 weeks...any suggestions?
Have also decided on Nolva for pct however still unsure of what AI...suggestions again please?
Also any diet plans or suggestions are highly appreciated.
Would also just like to thank you guys for all the input thus far.
Hey mate read my post on Anavar and that should help you make up your mind if you want to use that compound
Hey guys iv decided I'm gonna get test e and the 50mg var. was wondering if since it being first time I should go light on each for first couple weeks like a 25mg var 200 test e for first two weeks then up to 50 and 500
To update everyone I'm 23 years old 180 lbs and 5'11
I'm not afraid of needles no but even after researching I am unsure of exactly which test would be best and how often I should pin. Please give me some input even if it through a PM thanks!!!
test e 500mg a week spilt between 2 shots a week. 100mg of prop ed would be 700mg a week of test which is total overkill for first cycle and the ed pinning is gonna be a bitch with all those virgin muscles.
AnonI would go with test e to start. gives you a chance to get used to pinning without HAVING to pin every day or every other day.. also guys remember test prop is known for having pip and for a first time user this could be a huge turn off.. keep it simple and conservative, test e bi weekly for 12 weeks running it around 500mg.. that is a general dosage not knowing a darn thing about you, age, history ..nada..
The problem was the 60mg dose by the sounds of it! Run it at 100+ and see the difference
Anonthere are probs running orals alone.. first off running high doses to get results in just irresponsible and damages liver functioning (yes, I know anavar is mild.. relatively speaking ok.. ) second, running orals along almost guarantees that whatever you gain you will lose because you won't pct thinking you don't have to..it is an oral and you don't have to right... ? You will shut down natty test production and if you do that often enough without supplementing with test..(which is why test is the basis for ALL cycles) you can kiss natty test goodbye for ever and reduce the effectiveness of trt..
Ok, i understand and respect what your saying but gains form oral cycles are keepable indeed, with proper pct and diet and training in pct.
Also, i dont consider var to be any more mild than other orals at all! Its just an internet myth! After all it used to be made in 2.5mg tabs, thats where the mild rumours come from.
I do agree with you on most of your points though Grrrl, but just saying for ppl wanting to dip their toe in the water, an oral only cycle isnt a bad starting point, especially if they have a fear of pinning!
Anonwell, there is the problem of shutting down natty test production..what do you recommend for that? 2.5mg shuts down 50% of natty test production so the average dosage is around 50mg.. also, I didn't necessarily say I bought into the anavar is milder argument, it is pretty much all the same to me.. unless you are running grrl doses..;-)
After doing some more research I was thinking of doing this for my first cycle, Run test, prefer prop, and var. Prop at 100mg ed and var at 50mg ed for 8 weeks Any suggestions good or bad appreciated haha
Hey sorry guys, new to the whole thing. This would be my first cycle I'm currently 23 years old. My main goal is to basically get cut up. I weigh about 170 pounds and have a decent physique how but just trying to get that extra pop. If I do decide to add test I would take about 40mg a day along with 100ml of test a week? And which oral winny tabs are the best? And the side effects are minimal as well? Thanks for all the great help!
If you are going to run it alone, do winny instead! At least you know it will be real! I believe many of the 50mg var tabs are actually winny anyway!! Just look at the raw prices, If you dont want to pin then dont mate, you dont have to, sure test is always best but dont read too much unto the fact that ppl say oral onlys dont work, because they do, ive done it and know loads who have, Winny @50mg ED For 6 weeks will be fine, its cheap too, I get 7 weeks worth of oral winny for £35, var for the same length of time at same dose would cost me around £200! Plus the fact you generally need more var than winny
Totally agree with majik, anavar only is a waste.
It will cost at least 3 times as much as low dose test cycle and the gains will be nothing in comparison.
If you already have a heap of var then you would be better off running at least 75-100mg of test prop eod with it.
Sides from the test will be minimal at this dose but the gains will be way better than using var alone.
Make sure you get some nolva for pct either way.
It started out good but then fizzeld out. What did you find in your research? What is your goal and age, normally I would give you shit for asking without having a little more info but you did some research (or at least you said you did)
Check the forums post the info everyone just asked and I think you will be ok if your open to advicem
tread-mThrow some goals up with what the other guys have asked as well please
Var alone is a horrible idea bro. Let's start off by getting some stats from you.
Nasty81NateAge? Cycle history? Stats?
I'd do 50mg a day for 1-6 wks add some test to it..