+ 14 A new idea for a 2nd or 3rd cycle - Test +Peptide
I spend a lot of my time here talking nutrition and food. I don't get involved as much as I used to on the cycles pages, there's plenty of you guys and girls to take care of that who do a better job than I could these days, and not to mention some of the fools annoy the piss out of me these days. I do read though, especially when I'm sat in boring meetings at work which seems to represent a huge percentage of my time these days....
Between the two areas, the biggest mistakes I see are 1) lack of adequate nutrition and 2) a constant desire to use more and more gear despite point 1 still being prevalent. I'll give you some examples of the sort of thing I often get in pm.
I'm eating everything in sight. Yesterday I ate 2200kcals and I'm still not growing. I need to increase my dose.
I just can't eat any more food. I had 3 meals and 2 shakes today. If I ate any more I'd throw up.
And this is what I repatedly see in the cycle pages / logs.
I'm 6ft, 175lbs, a hardgainer, I've run 3 cycles. Tren will make me grow, its the most powerful.
I'm not growing, gear is definitely bunk.
I could carry on but you get the sentiment. No need for me to copy and paste a bunch of these here right?
So typically we preach test only, then test with a prop kick / basic oral etc for 2nd, maybe test EQ for a 3rd. Here's an idea for a 2nd or 3rd cycle BULK cycle.
Test 500,g/wk 12 weeks
GHRP6 throughout.
Peptides. A big percentage of you use hgh. I'll be honest I largely think you're all falling into the trap of what's trendy rather than what is actually effective, but that's a different discussion. GHRP's stimulate appetite, sometimes to an extreme level, I'm not going to get all science geek with you. In my experience dose of 100mcg 2 or 3 times per day could easily result in a 50% increase in your food consumption without you even noticing you're trying. Negatives are obviously the extra pinning, but we are talking about subq pinning with an insulin pin of 29g or less. There is potential for similar side effects to standard hgh like stiff joints, carpal tunnel syndrome but in my experience these are rare, I've never had it nor any of my real life training associates.
So "food for thought", (pun intentional). Can't eat enough? "hard gainer"? Still a stick after 3 cycles? Your nutrition is probably wrong. Instead of more and more AAS, GHRP6 is an alternative that potentially targets the issue directly, getting ample nutrition. Not particularly expensive and pretty safe in comparison to a lot of the compounds we take for granted.
I apologise in advance for the extra food bill and subsequent damage to your bank balance.
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basskiller89I think people expect steroids to work a lot faster than they are capable of building muscle. Take that into consideration with the fact most people are not eating enough calories and no wonder they are frustrated. In my experience this is a game of patience and dedication. It takes years to build and it takes years of consistent proper eating habits to truly reap the benefits of steroids
brick topcatalyst, feel free to pm me your ghrp source or atleast the manifacture company?
RustyhookerBumping this.
Seeing too many newbs here advising other newbs to add MORE gear because their oral killed their appetite.
The funny thing is that my heaviest weight was 295lbs while I was not on any kind of steroids but on ghrp-6 and cjc-1295 peptide cycle. It was my first peptide cycle and it blew me up like a balloon. I was eating like a horse non stop and I was strong as hell. It just shows you how much important food is in bodybuilding. Many people rely too much on steroid dosages and steroid combinations but they forget the most important factor food. This is including me. I think I I'm going back to the basics. Thank you Catalyst, great post.
Fella ....
I did ask you not to post my PM so that the Eroids puplic would see it!
How very dare you
You wanna know some funny shit? So im a big user of ghrp, I used to have to force feed to get down 4000 cals, after ghrp-6 i could get up past 5000 easily without feeling discustingly stuffed. Well im sure you know that the majority of these peptides are of very low quality, id buy ghrp-6 from a top source and get shit from it etc. Well I was buying gh from this new source that popped up last summer, I get my 150iu kit, if anyones reading this who bought it thhey know exaclty who im talking about, 5 30iu vials. Well it was not gh, I took my first shot of what I thought was like 2.5ius or so and holy shit I ate the entire house. This guy ended up giving us all refunds cause he was just a resller, hiis partner was getting the kits and he was nice enough to give us some of our money back. Well this was by far the most potent ghrp ive ever used in my entire life. The hunger It produced was not even comparable to any of the peptide sources i used. So all in all i used this fake hgh as my ghrp-6 for probably 4 months or so i loved the stuff. By far the best ive ever used. I would love to know their souce lol. I just cant believe how dumb those guys were, atleast use ghrp-2, anyone who knows peps and gh knows if you get EXTREMELY hungry just a few minutes after the injecition its not growth hormone. Atleast in my case and ive used basically every pharm grade brand there is.
I just put in an order for some more ghrp-6 last night, after being indecisive for like a month, each month one sources goes bunk and a new ones is good. I hate buying crap. So hopefully this stuff is the real deal. Peptides are so hit or miss, and theyre so damn cheap, a vial of ghrp finished can cost as little as 2 bucks. I guess its because to many sources rely on the chinese for their raws.
I'll pm you ;)
please do, im sick of buying crap.
Great post Cat. Im currently on a run of Cjc and ipam. Just coming back from an injury and its treating me great. The peps are giving me a little extra help until i get my bf down low enough to consider aas again.
As for the people that can't eat enough. Ghrp's will likely make them eat the arse out of a skunk an allow them to eat more and gain weight without any aas.
Another thing that can ramp up appetite is cardio. Nothing too intense that would be deleterious to the goal of gaining lbs but just enough to get the metabolism a little boost and in turn increase appetite. I know my already insane appetite goes through the roof after cardio.
Good point on the cardio mate.
Couldn't you just use the ghrp peptide alone? I was going to use it when I ran decs cause for some reason the deca supression my appetite like crazy but I never did I just stopped the deca short. Would it work alone?
Absolutely you could. In fact I'd wager some of the guys that run stacks who don't eat enough would gain more by just running GHRP6 than some of the nonsense I regularly see proposed by beginners.
RustyhookerBulking all year and will be buying the ghrp. When I was young 7000 calories were easy. Long due to really hammer down.
We've joked about being bottomless pits naturally...chewing on this wondering just how rediculous the food bill would actually become say I were to give ghrp6 a whirl...I won't go there(especially now lol) but if one were to want to try and hit 400lbs......BWAHAHAHA!
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Now.... Im thinking.....noooo....welllll....naaaa....hahaha IM FKN HUNGRY CAT! lol
Great post brother another way to shove more food down the throats of "I can't eat any mores"!
This is great info Catalyst....+10
So I hit 190 and decided to do a quick bulk, my breakfast alone was 800 calories, my before lunch snack was 400 and lunch was a conservative 500. Next snack was about 500 and then before dinner was 600 then dinner was another 800. I work nights now so I have the pleasure of also eating at night so before I hit the sack I ate another 1200-1800 depending on if someone brought in pizza or pasta. That's just a conservative day. I gained 40 pounds in 6 weeks, granted it was not all muscle because that would be bullshit but it proves you have to eat to grow. On a side note I got an infection and lost 20 pounds because I was yakking so I'm back to fkn 210.
GHRP can increase prolactin in some individuals. I even had to use Caber at 100mcg three times a day. If this is something that is going to be recommended, it is important that the user is aware of this possibility.
RustyhookerIve seen folks make same complaint. Rare but yes, its been shown.
What I cant see it caber at 100mcg 3x a day. Never seen caber in that small a dose. The half life too is bout 3.5 days. So why not .25Mge3d?
My sentence structure was poor. GHRP 100mcg/three times a day required caber.
RustyhookerAhhh...makes sense. Had me curious because some items can be bought loose.
Next cycle will be another bulker. Will try 3x a day. Thanks!
-2, Who is disputing this information as inaccurate?
I've got corrected it anyway.
Although not common, you are correct. Never seen or heard of it happening to anyone I know but the theory is solid.
I appreciate it Catalyst, and thanks for confirming it.
I still want the person to own it. I'm fairly certain I know who it is.
Often it's just a mistake. I do it, I've even neg'd myself.
I'm not the one that disputed it but I know from the research I did that ghrp raises prolactin and cortisol but not out of normal range so the use or caber would be not necessary...
That is a blanket statement. I specifically said some individuals, and that they should only be aware of the possibility. You weren't there milking my tits. So, to say it is not necessary for all is inaccurate. Search GRHP and prolactin or GHRP and lactating. It happens and it happened to me.
I know you didn't down vote me. It was an advanced member. So who is it?
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/143076-ghrp-6-3-quick-questions-re-prol...
https://www.steroidal.com/hgh-peptides/ghrp-6/ghrp-6-side-effects/
He points out ghrp6 which has minimal effect on prolactin... according to the link you posted that is!
Seriously?
Personal account from a forum moderator: one thing i noticed is that when i switched over to clinical peptides from chinese i got prolactin gyno from GHRP-2 at the same dose as i used with chinese peptides......i lowered the dose and it was fine
Source cited link: However, some users have reported lactation which can be the result of a sensitive individual or the result of much higher doses of GHRP-6. Prolactin can be lowered through the use of a Prolactin antagonist such as Cabergoline, Pramipexole, Bromocriptine, and even vitamin B6.
I'm not dismissing the research by any means. This is a simple matter of it happens.
bigmurphCatalyst what are your thoughts on ipamorelin im very interested in adding this and the ghrp 2 or 6 still researching so much to read on peptides. I don't want to take hgh for the reason of shutting down the natural production. I think from my research so far that ipamorelin or hexa is the way to go. Im leaning towards the ipamorelin because of it being milder than the hexa.
I honestly would love to hear what you think about this because im torn. I first was going to just go with ipamorelin and my cycle test e, decca or npp, if npp prop kick oral will be tbol it will be 12 wks minimum im going to go up to 15 wk depending on what my body tells me.
Adding the ipamorelin 1month before run through and for 1month after is my thoughts around 6 months.
I have looked into running the ghrp with it because everything I read says they go hand in hand. But I have no problem eating. My appetite is huge so what are your opinion on it. If you want the whole wk to wk cycle plan and my diet im happy to supply it. I would really like your opinion. I thought I would take this chance to see if your willing to help me out. I have alot of respect for the knowledge you and some others have.
Thanks
Bigmurph
Also anyone else is more than welcome to join the discussion I take constructive criticism well tear me apart if im wrong on anything or if anything sounds stupid
I could only talk theory with you here mate, never used it personally. Those that I know that have have largely been underwhelmed.
bigmurphI appreciate it looks like im going to skip it
One of those Murph we need a couple of Guinea pig runs on really.
bigmurphI would like to be the guinea pig but that shit adds up and gets expensive. I think that's why more people don't run it
Bro, the only thing I would say about ipamorelin or any GHRP is that if you can't measure the effect, avoid it. If ipamorelin works the way the rave reviews say it does, I just wonder what effect on IGF-1 it has that would show up on a blood test the way real HGH does. Also, just for the record, real GH elevates IGF from the first shot and IGF will begin to rise in days, not weeks and shows in bloods quickly. Most of the compounds we run can only be reviewed anecdotally. Not so with GH and IGF.
bigmurphSo you're against the ipamorelin and for hgh. I see what you mean that I can take the ipamorelin and it might not do a thing. While hgh will show on bloods its progress and how well it really is working.
Are you against all peptides or do you think ipamorelin is just not a good one.
Thanks for the reply im looking for as many opinions as I can get on this
No, I'm not against peptides. If a particular GHRP is working for real, you should see increased IGF-1 which is the whole point of HGH to begin with. If a particular pep is not elevating IGF why take it?
bigmurphI agree looks like im going to skip it
you hit the nail on the head..( I eat 2200kcals I wanna throw up) that's a damn snack lol..... all the gear in the world wont do squat for you if your not getting enough food..
EAT..
EAT MORE
WHEN YOUR FULL EAT SOME MORE
WHEN YOUR SO FULL YOU WANNA PUKE.. EAT MORE
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