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Opinions on my first PCT

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Hey guys, after some research I came up my first PCT cycle and was hoping for some feedback.
Here's my original cycle along with my stats (also my first cycle)

Currently:
26 Years old
222lbs
18% BF

Cycle:
Weeks 1-2
Superdrol x10mg ED
Test E @ 250mg twice weekly

Weeks 2-8:
Still Test E @ 250mg twice weekly
Adex @ .5ML twice weekly

Still learning so I wanted to keep it nice and simple. So far so good. Bloods came back and everything seemed in order.

PCT:

At this point I plan on switching Adex for Aromasin

Weeks 1-2
HCG @ 2000iu 3x/week
Clomid @ 50mg ED
Nolvadex @ 40mg ED

Weeks 2-4
Clomid @ 25mg ED
Nolva @ 20mg ED

Weeks 4-6
Aromasin to finish it off

Week 6: Bloodwork

Any advice or criticism would be much appreciated

Abzzzz's picture

Thanks so much for all the info! I'm sure at some point I'll just blast and cruise, but I'm satisfied so far with how the cycle is going and my main goal is within reach. Like I said to someone else here, my goal was to see how my body reacts to stuff and make sure I can safely PCT off. Mainly because I may leave the country at some point for work related reasons, and it's INCREDIBLY difficult to get anything in the country I'd be going to.

After a bit more reading on the threads here I've decided to actually drop the HCG from my PCT for this cycle. According to one of the newbie recommended reading threads HCG only seems to be helpful for longer cycles (12wks+) or heavy cycles which mine isn't. Plus I'm get to save a few bucks anyways. The aromasin for sure looks like a good choice though after further research.

Thanks for all the info again!

Dacky's picture

I am actually a massive fan of HCG used properly for PCT even a first PCT off a first cycle. After all the point is to maximise the chances of effective recovery and enable beeinf able to do this over and over again to avoid trt forever or for as long as possible. HCG down right use gives you the best change of doing this. The way you have it laid out is not optimal though. Have a read of this awesome post by my esteemed colleague Giardap and then let’s chat - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/hcg-101.-why...

I think you may want to tweak the clomid dosage too. I’d go 50mg for the whole time on PCT and then stop wait 6 weeks and blood test.

Abzzzz's picture

Hey man! Sorry for the late reply. Sucks but the link you posted is broken =\ I'm on the fence about using HCG honestly because JohnMarshal advised against it and he seems to be way more knowledgeable on this shit than I am. So you think I should do HCG? If so mind if I ask why or possibly get a link that isn't broken?

Keeping clomid at 50 eh? so like do the cycle I have above and keep clomid at 50 for the whole 4 weeks, aromasin for the final two and then wait another 6 weeks to get my bloods?

Thanks for all the help!

Dacky's picture

If it were me I would be using HCG. I am trt now so it’s not an issue but had I known the full and proper use of HCG it would have been included in all my PCT’s. Who knowns....perhaps I would have avoided trt for a while longer. Here’s the link again - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/hcg-101.-why... - should work now.

Edit: the link doesn’t work but look a few lines below in the PCT forum and you will see it.

giardap's picture

Full stop on the url wasnt posting in correctly on the link. I edited the title so your links should work now
My bad!

Dacky's picture

Thanks bro. As the resident HCG expert have you got an opinion for the OP on the inclusion of HCG in his PCT?

giardap's picture

lol

Sure do D, it is essential imo and historically is a core part of the original PCT, upon which most everything else re:PCT, that we read online, has been derived from.

OP have a read of the link below if you want to know more. HCG is part of the original PCT and should be a part of any custom PCT, if you want recovery to be optimal that is. Further, it can be a part of post-PCT-therapy if you want to go further down the rabbit hole (no homo).

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-its-hist...

Dacky's picture

Thanks bro. As always you’ve helped tremendously. Hopefully more and more folk start picking up on this stuff. You’ve made it so accessible for everyone and if there are questions members can just ask. +2 from me!

giardap's picture

Yeah mate it's just about sharing the good stuff.
You are no different yourself. In fact you are always helping people out with the general stuff, but also with serious health issues too. Way more than most. Respect.

press1's picture

You don't do comments by halves do you + for effort!

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press1's picture

Hey buddy I was just having a joke with you meaning you really put full on input & effort into your answers! Its a good thing ;) It was a good, detailed answer you gave...

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Abzzzz's picture

I think he just means it was a long block of text bro lol

XmadXscientist's picture

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...

Not conflicting if you read enough there’s a trend.

Abzzzz's picture

Thanks for the link!

Abzzzz's picture

It's pretty crazy, though I felt fine and my hair seems to be fine too. I felt crazy strong at the gym though

Abzzzz's picture

Ouch. 20mg was scary enough, but 40 sounds like it would fuck me up

dextetherdog's picture

Did your blood work confirmed your estradiol levels are high, why did you take AI’s in the first place?
Why would you switch Arimidex to Aromasin, both are AI’s, don’t grit it.
I like running HCG for 2 weeks at 2000iu every other day.
Would take CLOMID AFTER I finish HCG cycle.
Also make sure you start running HCG when the Testosterone is out of the system, this may take 10-12 days.

Abzzzz's picture

Hey man, my E2 wasn't high but it was close to the high area. It came back as 39 and at the recommendation of a friend I started adex. Waiting on next bloods to confirm if it's in the right spot. Also the reason for switching to aromasin is at the recommendation of a friend because of the high amounts of HCG a more powerful AI would be needed.

So I should wait until the exogenous T has started to leave my system, THEN start HCG alone, then introduce the other stuff? There's a lot of conflicting information out there but it'd be awesome if you could explain why to do this.

Appreciate the advice man!

XmadXscientist's picture

Why switch ai now, is it broken?

Aromasin weeks 4-6??? You want to suppress estrogen which is most likely going to be low already due to the state your going to be in? You know estrogen plays a role in the feedback mechanisms which happen to regulate testosterone?

Abzzzz's picture

Well that's just what I saw people doing for this cycle. What would be a better idea then?

Thanks!

Robman040's picture

“Wanted to keep it nice and simple”........

Includes superdrol on first cycle......

Abzzzz's picture

The temptation was too great :( Thankfully I did my research on stuff to help with the liver damage while on it.

While I was taking it I also took:
Liv52
TUDCA
Milk Thistle
NAC

so HOPEFULLY nothing bad happened. We'll find out soon.

helloBrooklyn's picture

Temptation for superdrol? That’s a new one

Robman040's picture

You shouldve researched more about a proper first cycle. Everything about this is trash

Abzzzz's picture

Well I'd love some feedback on how to make it not trash bro. I've seen a bunch of different cycles, some seemed more overkill than others, and I wasn't sure how to dose things for a lite first cycle like mine. I'd appreciate some more feedback though man

Robman040's picture

Im sure if you looked around this site and used the search function for about 15 minutes you could come up with a proper first cycle. Id stop listening to your friend.... its your body you should know what and why your putting it in your body

Abzzzz's picture

Yeah man I agree. Definitely keep that in mind!

johnmarshall12's picture

Well its better to be safe than sorry. we see a lot of guys running wild cycles to begin with. This was very conservative. As far as the PCT goes that is a lot of HCG with the climid and nova. That much HCG would bounce me back after a mild cycle like this by itself probably.

Abzzzz's picture

Well now I'm curious if it's even necessary like Pez was saying to have HCG for this pct cycle. Would you include the HCG? If so, what would you dose it at?

Thanks!

Abzzzz's picture

This was my first cycle and I only wanted to test the waters and see how my body reacted to this stuff.
Also my E2 was 39, increased my Adex since then waiting to get my next bloods.

XmadXscientist's picture

39 is fine.

Muffins's picture

Lot of HCG for a test cycle. I won’t even do superdrol.

Abzzzz's picture

What would you say is a good amount of HCG then? Honestly really unsure of how much would be useful for such a mild cycle

Muffins's picture

I honestly wouldn’t use it for this cycle. It can be an aromotizing nightmare. Now, for people using very suppressive compounds, that additional aromotizing is worth it, to get back online quickly. I say drop the sdrol and HCG.

If you wanted to run an oral compound, cause I know you’ve been reading about stacks; I suggest anavar or turinabol. You’re not ready for sdrol sides. I’ve abused the shit out of steroids and like I wrote I won’t touch it.

Abzzzz's picture

Thanks for the advice bro. So I wouldn't need to worry about my testes atrophying then? and it won't mess with my PCT not having it in there?

Muffins's picture

You’re nuts may shrink a little. They will bounce back really quickly. My first cycle it happened the last few weeks. I don’t know how common it is but when my nuts shrank and bounced back I’d have an ache in my sack. Totally normal at least for me.

The big thing here is not walking away with titties or hurting your ability to bounce back. First cycle - you’re going to bounce back quickly.

You wrote your dosing in mL. That indicates this is a research place. Make sure you have another AI Incase it is garbage. We all preach pharmaceutical AIs and PCT.

Abzzzz's picture

Sounds good man. I was really worried about how well I'd recover from this but that's a relief to hear. And yes, I'm still researching for the PCT phase but I'm half way through the cycle so the boat has already sailed on the sdrol (shit was insane though). Definitely don't want to touch that shit again.

Appreciate all the advice, anything else you think I should know?