posted Wed, 11/28/2018 - 02:34
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Opinions on my first PCT
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Hey guys, after some research I came up my first PCT cycle and was hoping for some feedback.
Here's my original cycle along with my stats (also my first cycle)
Currently:
26 Years old
222lbs
18% BF
Cycle:
Weeks 1-2
Superdrol x10mg ED
Test E @ 250mg twice weekly
Weeks 2-8:
Still Test E @ 250mg twice weekly
Adex @ .5ML twice weekly
Still learning so I wanted to keep it nice and simple. So far so good. Bloods came back and everything seemed in order.
PCT:
At this point I plan on switching Adex for Aromasin
Weeks 1-2
HCG @ 2000iu 3x/week
Clomid @ 50mg ED
Nolvadex @ 40mg ED
Weeks 2-4
Clomid @ 25mg ED
Nolva @ 20mg ED
Weeks 4-6
Aromasin to finish it off
Week 6: Bloodwork
Any advice or criticism would be much appreciated
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PcushionHey man first off good job on taking it easy on your first cycle. Some guys have zero care for consequence and just try to do too much. Keeping things simple for quite a few cycles helped me really learn what my body likes and doesn’t. It also makes problem solving a hell of a lot easier. I am not going to give you advice but I will give you a little bit of my personal experience. I don’t do the advice thing bc hormones are very complex and everyone’s genetic makeup is different so what works great for me might not be so great for you. That said I never liked short cycles I always felt that my body needed longer time on high hormone levels to actually develope maintainable muscle growth. I found that cycles in the 16-20 week range worked better than the 8-12 week range. I was able to maintain more. I prefer Aromasin. It offers a few benefits that non-steroidal AI do not. It’s suicudal so there isn’t an immediate rebound, it binds to the SHBG enzyme allowing for more free testosterone, and it doesn’t effect my lipid profile like letro or adex. I don’t think it’s stronger and Adex could be wrong but I don’t aromatize at a very rapid rate either so having the strongest AI wasn’t my goal. Good job on the bloodwork I never understood why so many people neglect that part of a cycle. HCG was a must for me it makes recovery so much easier. I found the best success running 500 IU three times a week and I would start running it the last 4 weeks of my cycle and continue it 4 weeks after my cycle ended that would run my hcg 2 weeks I to PCT. I ran exemstane all the way until PCT was over and ran my clomid a bit higher and would taper down as the oct ran on. I stoped running Nolvadex as part of my pct simply bc my labs didn’t show it added much benefit. From my understanding it’s power for pct lies in its ability to promote negative feedback to the HPTA and exemestane does that as well. This is my experience with my own body and PCT nothing is a one size fits all so just stay in your toes and pin responsibly. You seem to be on the right track though. Lastly all my pct experience is in past tense bc I don’t cycle off anymore. I just blast and cruise.
Thanks so much for all the info! I'm sure at some point I'll just blast and cruise, but I'm satisfied so far with how the cycle is going and my main goal is within reach. Like I said to someone else here, my goal was to see how my body reacts to stuff and make sure I can safely PCT off. Mainly because I may leave the country at some point for work related reasons, and it's INCREDIBLY difficult to get anything in the country I'd be going to.
After a bit more reading on the threads here I've decided to actually drop the HCG from my PCT for this cycle. According to one of the newbie recommended reading threads HCG only seems to be helpful for longer cycles (12wks+) or heavy cycles which mine isn't. Plus I'm get to save a few bucks anyways. The aromasin for sure looks like a good choice though after further research.
Thanks for all the info again!
I am actually a massive fan of HCG used properly for PCT even a first PCT off a first cycle. After all the point is to maximise the chances of effective recovery and enable beeinf able to do this over and over again to avoid trt forever or for as long as possible. HCG down right use gives you the best change of doing this. The way you have it laid out is not optimal though. Have a read of this awesome post by my esteemed colleague Giardap and then let’s chat - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/hcg-101.-why...
I think you may want to tweak the clomid dosage too. I’d go 50mg for the whole time on PCT and then stop wait 6 weeks and blood test.
Hey man! Sorry for the late reply. Sucks but the link you posted is broken =\ I'm on the fence about using HCG honestly because JohnMarshal advised against it and he seems to be way more knowledgeable on this shit than I am. So you think I should do HCG? If so mind if I ask why or possibly get a link that isn't broken?
Keeping clomid at 50 eh? so like do the cycle I have above and keep clomid at 50 for the whole 4 weeks, aromasin for the final two and then wait another 6 weeks to get my bloods?
Thanks for all the help!
If it were me I would be using HCG. I am trt now so it’s not an issue but had I known the full and proper use of HCG it would have been included in all my PCT’s. Who knowns....perhaps I would have avoided trt for a while longer. Here’s the link again - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/hcg-101.-why... - should work now.
Edit: the link doesn’t work but look a few lines below in the PCT forum and you will see it.
Full stop on the url wasnt posting in correctly on the link. I edited the title so your links should work now
My bad!
Thanks bro. As the resident HCG expert have you got an opinion for the OP on the inclusion of HCG in his PCT?
lol
Sure do D, it is essential imo and historically is a core part of the original PCT, upon which most everything else re:PCT, that we read online, has been derived from.
OP have a read of the link below if you want to know more. HCG is part of the original PCT and should be a part of any custom PCT, if you want recovery to be optimal that is. Further, it can be a part of post-PCT-therapy if you want to go further down the rabbit hole (no homo).
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-its-hist...
Thanks bro. As always you’ve helped tremendously. Hopefully more and more folk start picking up on this stuff. You’ve made it so accessible for everyone and if there are questions members can just ask. +2 from me!
Yeah mate it's just about sharing the good stuff.
You are no different yourself. In fact you are always helping people out with the general stuff, but also with serious health issues too. Way more than most. Respect.
PcushionSounds like you have a solid plan man. Good luck with your ventures and if I can be any help let me know.
You don't do comments by halves do you + for effort!
PcushionThank you for the positive karma. I am not sure I follow what you are saying though. Could you explain I am not trying to break any forum rules, ruffle feathers, or receive negative karma.
Hey buddy I was just having a joke with you meaning you really put full on input & effort into your answers! Its a good thing ;) It was a good, detailed answer you gave...
PcushionOk cool I got worried I did something wrong lol. Thanks man.
I think he just means it was a long block of text bro lol
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
Not conflicting if you read enough there’s a trend.
Thanks for the link!
StevebScrew superdrol, it makes you feel like shit and it kills your hair.
It's pretty crazy, though I felt fine and my hair seems to be fine too. I felt crazy strong at the gym though
Steveb10mg isn't much try 30 or 40 and see if you still like superdrol. I bought it when it was legal.
Ouch. 20mg was scary enough, but 40 sounds like it would fuck me up
Did your blood work confirmed your estradiol levels are high, why did you take AI’s in the first place?
Why would you switch Arimidex to Aromasin, both are AI’s, don’t grit it.
I like running HCG for 2 weeks at 2000iu every other day.
Would take CLOMID AFTER I finish HCG cycle.
Also make sure you start running HCG when the Testosterone is out of the system, this may take 10-12 days.
Hey man, my E2 wasn't high but it was close to the high area. It came back as 39 and at the recommendation of a friend I started adex. Waiting on next bloods to confirm if it's in the right spot. Also the reason for switching to aromasin is at the recommendation of a friend because of the high amounts of HCG a more powerful AI would be needed.
So I should wait until the exogenous T has started to leave my system, THEN start HCG alone, then introduce the other stuff? There's a lot of conflicting information out there but it'd be awesome if you could explain why to do this.
Appreciate the advice man!
Why switch ai now, is it broken?
Aromasin weeks 4-6??? You want to suppress estrogen which is most likely going to be low already due to the state your going to be in? You know estrogen plays a role in the feedback mechanisms which happen to regulate testosterone?
Well that's just what I saw people doing for this cycle. What would be a better idea then?
Thanks!
“Wanted to keep it nice and simple”........
Includes superdrol on first cycle......
The temptation was too great :( Thankfully I did my research on stuff to help with the liver damage while on it.
While I was taking it I also took:
Liv52
TUDCA
Milk Thistle
NAC
so HOPEFULLY nothing bad happened. We'll find out soon.
Temptation for superdrol? That’s a new one
You shouldve researched more about a proper first cycle. Everything about this is trash
Well I'd love some feedback on how to make it not trash bro. I've seen a bunch of different cycles, some seemed more overkill than others, and I wasn't sure how to dose things for a lite first cycle like mine. I'd appreciate some more feedback though man
Im sure if you looked around this site and used the search function for about 15 minutes you could come up with a proper first cycle. Id stop listening to your friend.... its your body you should know what and why your putting it in your body
Yeah man I agree. Definitely keep that in mind!
Well its better to be safe than sorry. we see a lot of guys running wild cycles to begin with. This was very conservative. As far as the PCT goes that is a lot of HCG with the climid and nova. That much HCG would bounce me back after a mild cycle like this by itself probably.
Well now I'm curious if it's even necessary like Pez was saying to have HCG for this pct cycle. Would you include the HCG? If so, what would you dose it at?
Thanks!
RustyhookerWhy 8 weeks? What was your e2 level like?
This was my first cycle and I only wanted to test the waters and see how my body reacted to this stuff.
Also my E2 was 39, increased my Adex since then waiting to get my next bloods.
39 is fine.
Lot of HCG for a test cycle. I won’t even do superdrol.
What would you say is a good amount of HCG then? Honestly really unsure of how much would be useful for such a mild cycle
I honestly wouldn’t use it for this cycle. It can be an aromotizing nightmare. Now, for people using very suppressive compounds, that additional aromotizing is worth it, to get back online quickly. I say drop the sdrol and HCG.
If you wanted to run an oral compound, cause I know you’ve been reading about stacks; I suggest anavar or turinabol. You’re not ready for sdrol sides. I’ve abused the shit out of steroids and like I wrote I won’t touch it.
Thanks for the advice bro. So I wouldn't need to worry about my testes atrophying then? and it won't mess with my PCT not having it in there?
You’re nuts may shrink a little. They will bounce back really quickly. My first cycle it happened the last few weeks. I don’t know how common it is but when my nuts shrank and bounced back I’d have an ache in my sack. Totally normal at least for me.
The big thing here is not walking away with titties or hurting your ability to bounce back. First cycle - you’re going to bounce back quickly.
You wrote your dosing in mL. That indicates this is a research place. Make sure you have another AI Incase it is garbage. We all preach pharmaceutical AIs and PCT.
Sounds good man. I was really worried about how well I'd recover from this but that's a relief to hear. And yes, I'm still researching for the PCT phase but I'm half way through the cycle so the boat has already sailed on the sdrol (shit was insane though). Definitely don't want to touch that shit again.
Appreciate all the advice, anything else you think I should know?