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+ 5 Does GH terapy requires the addition of T4

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Dear members,

I've been asked many times by customers about the notion that GH therapy requires the addition of T4 in order to potentiate the GH anabolic effect. This notion was brought to public by Mr Anthony Roberts who is/was considered an authority in the BB arena, and on 2006 recommended on the addition of T4 to any GH treatment

It really intrigues me how he Mr Roberts got the notion that T4 may support anabolism with GH

First on any clinical treatment by doctors, both for growth deficiency as well as in HRT, no T4 is added to the GH (unless there are low T4 levels as a results of thyroid functioning which required T4 therapy)

Below you may see a quote from a basic endocrine summary on GH-thyroid interaction -

"Administration of growth hormone (GH) in GH-deficient patients has been reported to cause a variety of perturbations in thyroid function. Reports range from decreased sensitivity of thyrotropin (TSH) to thyrotropin-releasing hormone (TRH) stimulation and induction of hypothyroidism to increased energy expenditure and enhanced peripheral thyroxine (T4) to triiodothyronine (T3) conversion"

  • GH indeed may alter thyroid functioning, its generally not the case with a healthy athlete under average GH dosages, but always thyroid functioning should be in check. Adding exogenous T4 to the GH will only sabotage more the thyroid functioning, and certainly won't support the thyroid or prevent the phenomena of decreased TSH sensitivity.

  • As you may see GH increases the body's metabolism by increasing T4 -> T3 conversion, this is one of the known metabolic effects of the GH as a fat burner, so adding T4 will simply increase the T3 level even higher (while suppressing endogenous T4 secretion). Too high T3 levels have a catabolic effect and are certainly not necessary, unless fat burning is a top priority. Too high T3 levels will impair also insulin and IGFs functioning.

Dacky's picture

Good post and discussion below - great to see a source coming out when some solid scientifically backed info on this subject. I hope membership listen +2 from me.

HailRazor's picture

No

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uESDM-qSssg

T3 (Cytomel) isnt even a good fat burner according to studies by Dr Rand

Lotta BroScience

Sciroxx's picture

I've never encouraged customers to reply on T3 as a main fat burner, it does have very potent fat burning effect base don my scientific knowledge, but thanks for binging this link to our attention, and will watch and learn from it now

HailRazor's picture

Dr. Randolph McClain, DO

He’s got some informative vids out....recent one discusses AAS &GH doses

It’s good to get a Doctors view.....especially one with real world knowledge of AAS....and not totally anti-AAS like most General Practitioners

Sciroxx's picture

Ok big brother, I've just watched it and only partially agreed - T3 is a potent fat burner, and glance in medical literature will show its main role in any metabolism process.

The "clinical" trials this "doc" refer to are less then blur, and mentioned as done of regular human being and not on athlete, also there not mentioning there on the dosages etc, and I have seen no references to any medical community accepted article

What I do agree with this "doc" about are -

  • Many think that adding for instance one tab (25mcg) a day of T3 will help to burn fat, this of course ridiculous as the body itself converts more T4 to T4 then 25mcg a day so just adding exogenous T3 or T4 at such dosages will simply just cause the body to secrete less thyroid hormones and keep the homeostasis of thyroid hormone levels no extra fat burning

  • Relying a fat burning diet on T3 is a ridiculous notion as well, such diet requires much broaden approach which incorporate proper training, increased lean muscle mess techniques, as well as proper nutrition

HailRazor's picture

The "clinical" trials this "doc" refer to are less then blur, and mentioned as done of regular human being and not on athlete, also there not mentioning there on the dosages etc, and I have seen no references to any medical community accepted article

Exactly.....he’s saying no testing done on Athletes (bodybuilders) because of the potential stack of other drugs taken.....can’t pinpoint T3(Cytomel) alone was effective with fat loss (he does mention 25mcgs as the “bodybuilding” standard)

Have you been able to acquire IGF1....just curious....I know it was something you were looking into

Sciroxx's picture

Yes have access to IGF1 (Increlex like). But released officially yet

HailRazor's picture

Nice.....the SOMAs are very popular. That would be a good addition.