I use a 25g 5/8" needle and it goes intramuscular. I have relatively low body fat and I'm injecting my delts.

I have been doing HCG subq injections for over a year and by far the easiest. Using 30 gauge 1/2 inch has almost no noticeable pain, I just inject slowly due to the gauge. I have done a couple of small TRT doses as well, working on the appropriate amount I can do in one injection for TRT, so still researching there. Basically started out small and working up right now seems to be going good. I tend to have a lot more bad injections going into quad or shoulder - pain during and afterwards vs subq I rarely have either. This is probably different person to person but that’s my experience. I have only done glutes, shoulders, quads, and subq. Subq wins for me currently, but still testing after several years for favorite spots. Also on me I have found better areas through trial and error on quads and subq. I also use a couple of sprays that help with pain and are antibacterial before each injection, this helped in all locations I inject.

I've ran sub q and PIP is kinda dose related. I started 200mg wk test cyp prescribed TRT and the 1/2 mL every 3.5 days left sore spots. Once got a 400mg/mL test and it left very sore spots even with small injections. Back to 200mg/mL test cyp and only 40mg injections left nothing really. Also test was to low at that dose. I've went to IM because after about 2 yrs I'm sick of sore spots. I'm pretty small and skinny and 0.4mL IM injections leaves no PIP. Sub q kinda. Also possible red spots, at least on me.

I run all short esters when I cycle, and I use my trt when off cycle as a break from ed pins which is why I use IM for my trt, as well as my cycles because of the amount of gear being pinned ed. I personally like to try and keep my blood levels as steady as possible when I cycle, so subq in small doses ed or eod for trt seems like it could be a good thing as far as keeping more steady blood levels.

If you're worried about the sticks, everybody does, that's completely normal, however, after the first few times it becomes routine. There are a plethora of places you can use, and will eventually find your favorites. I personally never hit my glutes but I utilize both quads and delts with a 23g 1.25" and have been doing so for years (1 12 week cycle of TestE @ 500mg per week once a year) that being said let's get into how AAS injections work.

When you inject an oil based AAS it takes the body longer to absorb the injected material apposed to water based that is absorbed much quicker. Also, the oil based AAS actually has the ingredients suspended and even adds carbon molecules in some compounds along the chain to make the absorption process longer and more uniformly absorbed .

A SubQ injection of an oil based AAS that is made to be absorbed over time is counter intuitive to that particular AAS itself. Muscle tissue has a greater blood supply than the area just under the skin. Muscle tissue can also hold a larger volume of medication than subcutaneous tissue and does not allow leaking through the more porous tissue like SubQ.

As far as the injection site and any pain is concerned, the act of slowly inserting a pin into the SubQ to avoid the muscle vs the more deliberate and faster action taken with a IM injection actually allows more time for the nervous system to react to the foreign object, there is no know benefit to lessoning the discomfort with a SubQ stick vs an IM in my opinion.

Also, everybody here has had to start somewhere, some of these guys can be real pricks and jab at you but it's all part of the comradery, don't let it get to you. Your BEST place to start is research, ask your peers here as well as do your own and you will find the best path for yourself.

To end I would advise to start with a clean diet (which is the hardest part for me during cycles) if you've never worked with diet first you'd be amazed at what a difference it makes. Also, with knowing what your intakes are it's almost impossible to judge what your needs will be on a cycle. It will take about 5-6 weeks before you actually see or feel the results of a Test cycle, but your body will react to it immediately physiologically in ways you will not feel physically. That's five weeks of potential error if you've not began properly.

I would still urge you to do as much research as possible and ask as many questions as possible before you start your own cycle, plan out and share your routine, your intended course of AAS cycles and your PCT. If your not sure what these things are I would encourage you to back up and do more planning.

happy gains!

Personally ICan't understand why anyone whoud shoot a oil based compound sub Q, just saying

Recently started the sub q thing as well. For both my TRT and my "added" compounds. EQ, Tren, and or Mast (depending on what I am on). Have done all subq, best thing I have done. Feel great and no more sore spots. Occasionally a red spot/lump which subsides quickly.

I swapped to subq for my self prescribed trt injections a good while back, a few years I would say. Usually backload several weeks at once, 0.5ml (125mg test e or c) each insulin syringe then add 0.15ml hcg (350iu) and inject once a week in two shots 0.325ml was each subq and not had any problems and can’t tell any difference in how I feel from going IM. In theory it should give a more even release with it absorbing slower but can’t say I can tell a difference.

I've read of many trying to keep injections around 0.5ml per inch, and from my own personal experience this works well. I inject twice a week, and have noticed e2 side effects to be less and benefits to be more consistent in doing so.

The only problems I find are cleaning the injection sites and needle damage from repeated injections. With the former, I've found alcohol swabs to be insufficient for cleaning as there's just not enough alcohol on the pad. As for needles, I use BD 27g 1/2" needles for SubQ injection at an angle, but 3-4 injection sites is the most I can comfortably get out of the needle. After injecting, I've been pressing an alcohol swab or soaked cotton ball at each site and that has kept lumps and redness down, like I've read.

No abscesses or significant problems if I take my time and make sure everything is clean, but it's definitely more involved than IM and I have screwed up before when rushing.

You don't use a 25G needle - you use a 30G slin needle. Been doing SQ ED TRT for around a year now (maybe less - can't remember).

Pros: No pip. Can hardly feel the needle. No lumpy masses in your muscles from injecting. Even and continuous supply of Test - closely mimics natural Test creation. No highs and lows as a result of big exogenous Test levels in the system. No Estrogen/DHT reaction/conversion because of the excess Test in the system.

Cons: Have to do it every day - just like waking up, going to work or having a shit. Can sometimes develop a small lump or bruise if you inject into a blood vessel (goes away in a few days). You use a lot of slin needles. Because you are injecting daily it's easy to forget a day - if you are using Test E or Test C - no problems - you can go 2-3 days without shooting due to their slow release - it's not ideal, but just make sure you are still on track with your weekly dose. Other cons? None.

Want to find out what it's like? Try it.

SubQ injects are very popular these days. I did them for awhile. I got tired of doing them daily and often got very busy and just forgot to do them.

Injecting oil sub-Q is never advisable. The assumption of less or no pip is false. In fact Sub-Q oil tends inflame the surrounding much much more than intra-muscular. You risk infection & the dreaded abscess. No need to reinvent the wheel in regards to TRT.

Thank you for the post. Hopefully this thread will help clear up some of the misconceptions floating around about sub-Q oil injection.