+ 5 LIQUID ORALS----REALLY??????
It's very hard for me to believe that AAS users actually pay for and use liquid oral gear! Even more scary is the fact that some of the sites that sell this crap are rated in the “Top Ten”.
What is the world coming to?
Well if you actually use this stuff don't forget to shake it up really good and hope that the exact amount of milligrams end up in your 1ml dropper! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny!
In light of the above, imagine if too much of the clen ends up in your dropper of “Liquid Clen”. Well more than the bottle will be shaking.
As far as the product itself goes, at least half or more will be wasted if it is real cuz you stomach acids will destroy it. The same applies for capsules.
Liquid orals are an insult to your intelligence. First it tells you the source can't' afford a capsule filling machine! They aren't expensive folks! And they surely can't afford tablet making equipment and don't have the expertise to use it!
Tablets are the best way to consume orals, and with steroids it is always best to place them under your tongue and let them slowly dissolve so you get maximum effect of the sub-lingual absorption! Well made tablets will dissolve slowly, poorly made ones will melt quickly!
Assuming the ingredients are legit any tablet is superior to a capsule. Liquid orals shouldn't be considered. But do as you will.
I hate to say this but if you spill capsules or tablets on the floor or table you know you can still eat them and will. But if you knock over a bottle of oral Anavar or DBOL are you really gonna lick the floor?
Since this got a lot of negative feedback, let me try clear something up. This post wasn't about the effectiveness of liquids it was about the credibility if a source can't afford equipment. Also note that many of the liquid oral sources have a limited selection of.injectables.
The point was to protect you against start ups or sources with limited resources that are riskier investments for your money.
I gues I didn't communicate it well, and for that i apologize!
2/28/15 UPDATE:
I'd like to thank all of you who commented below. What started out as a well intentioned article turned into a controversial piece due to my inept communication skills.
However, we have all benefited from the dialog and that includes me. I have learned a lot from the comments; and that is a good thing!
Maybe our Politicians in Washington could take a lesson from a bunch of luncks (lol) who can articulate their views and disagree while still getting along and using it for the common good!
JM
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Not that I have ever taken a liquid oral or ever plan to, but I don't think you understand the fundamentals of chemistry. When drawing from a dropper you should never have unequal dosing if you shook up your vial due to equal saturation of the oral in the liquid.
Feel free to point out the flaw in my thinking, but wouldn't some compounds be more reliably dosed in suspension? Arimidex and clen for instance. I would be terrified of buying capped adex or clen simply because of the inherent inaccuracies of most capping methods. Really the only things I would care about are accuracy and potency. I can't imagine anything worse than eating 10mg of adex because some lab was shaking up some powders in a ziploc bag and capping them willy nilly.
Liquid sucks dosing is hard it seems cut with alcohol to remain sterile so the ones ive tried burned the fuck out of my like taking a shot of booze and Iand if you space out your dose your carrying around a bunch of bottles tabs are not that much more money i got sucked in to all those sales they do 30 40 50 % off etc ill never do it again quality seems bad too iv order from many top research chem sites all the same you really do get what you pay for
RustyhookerLmao!!!!! Alcohol is NOT for sterility.......
Ok then whats it in there for
RustyhookerSimple a rapid transport. As noted below the acids in your stomach would destroy some of the hormone. Alcohol transports the hormone right into your system. Example...take a shot of tequila and whole body feels warmed quickly. Exactly because it went right into your system.
On tabs and capsules I crush and take by sublingual. There's med reports supporting grapefruit juice in fast absorption as well. Strong enough in fact that time released medications strongly suggest you not take pineapple juice during ingestion.
I've not seen a suspension in which the intended medication was fully dissolved. Which is why you must shake it. Suspension...The medications fall to bottom. Shaking re - suspends.
I prefer tabs and caps from good quality sources. But this debate has been interesting.
Thanks good info
Remember that oral solutions are going to be taking a trip through a lake of pH 1.0 HCl in your stomach. No real need to worry about sterility. Of course, if you are like a certain friend of mine who shall remain nameless, sterility might be of concern if you decide that it's a good idea to pin oral exemestane. No idea how he didn't get an infection, but at least he got his estrogen under control.
Thanks
Hey bro, while the ethanol would kill bacteria, its main purpose is to make it more soluble in solution. I dont know if you ever tried suspending something like drol in water, but it doesnt mix well.
Ok thanks for the info
shhh that's a trade secret you are about to spill there ..
RustyhookerAlthough, the alcohol content will destroy microbes on contact. ;)
Well i was coming in here to bring up a point asking how can we tell the diff between what they put in a liquid oral like winny or dbol vs say caps or even tabs. to me, just cause u got a pressed tab does not make it for a fact better then a liquid oral.
i will prob get negged for this, but i couldnt read all the responses, barely got through the OP had to read it 3x cause the point gets lost in there. I thought i knew where he was going, but and it could be me, but i really dont know the point he was trying to get across.
RustyhookerIt would be impossible to tell. Makwa just posted a good forum on his tabs being wrong. It's the quality of the source.
I've never used liquid oral steroids, largely because I don't believe a UGL would use the "better" materials to keep them in correct suspension. When manufactured in pharmaceutical practice, such as kids medicines, top of the range fluids are used that hold things pretty accurately. Cheaper alternative are available that cost less than 20% that are not FDA acceptable. If I was selling UGL, I'd use the cheap stuff and tell people to make sure they shake heavily.....
Like I said, I've never used them so I'm making a negative assumption here.
I know your more of an expert in this than me but even my child's medicine says shake well
That's the proof it can be done with a decent level of accuracy. It's for children, can't make mistakes there. With cheaper fluids, that's not the case.
Have to shake them, but even without doing so it would still be about 85% minimum accuracy. Imagine what could happen if someone forgot to shake it? LAW SUIT ;)
do you guys see the GOOD in these threads,? it brings out many members with different opinions some even fact, and it brings us together on a topic and we can get out what matters, a new guy sees it for the first time, and we see it in a whole new light, keep bringing them out of the dark and into the light.
im glad there was controversy , im open now to learn more about these different oral suspensions, and try some of the products now, where before i wasnt even interested, and it was all due to my ignorance to the products. im very much indeed curious now.
thank you guys for taking the time to put down what you did know about this subject because it proved to be alot !!
Nice ,+1
Exactly. Even us guys that have been around here for a long time learn new stuff thanks to threads just like this.
RustyhookerThreads like this are great. Gets folks thinking and asking questions. I'm glad the op wrote it up regardless of opinions. Good debate is worth it
Look at the last pic I just posted today, that liquid Dbol is some of the best I've ever had
I totally believe you. If I made you a liquid oral it would be great too. But i mis-communicated this entire thing.
It was really supposed to be more about the risk of newer sources with small inventory and liquid stuff. It was poorly written, so i don't blame anyone who takes issue with it.
No I don't think it was poorly written I think you wrote your feelings about oral suspension and 95% of the people here disagreed with you and destroyed the points you tried to make LoL...it comes down to preference simple as that =) all the really matters is if the raw powder used to make liquid/capsules/tablets is high quality simple as that....you made a few broad statements that many including myself disagree with
If you read my comment above to SL you can see that i agree that liquid orals can be made well. As a matter of fact some may even be dosed higher to get more repeat business.
But as I've now said numerous times this was poorly written because it totally went off the point of what I wanted to say.
It wasn't supposed to be about the liquid orals nearly as much as it read. It was supposed to be about the fact that I'm wary of sources that have limited inventory and sell this because it is so easy to make.
But believe me it doesn't make me happy to admit it was written badly. I'd like to defend it, and i defend the last point I just raised, but the rest was just really distracting and off message.
Your post came off very arrogant,You say things like "Just use Common Sense" But you pretty much back peddled when people brought valid points....You fell back on your only out which was saying you wrote this poorly.Oral suspension is easy to make simple as that it does not make the source look any different from the other source doing tablets, its your choice as the consumer.Sources make oral suspension because it is convenient thats it buddy that is really all, your looking deep inside a puddle LoL.it does not take a rocket scientist to put it in capsules or tablets or make a proper suspension...Because if a source sells Liquid orals and it makes you question if they are legit or not that is kinda foolish don't you think....
I admit it came off wrong and maybe arrogant, but that was unintentional. But I won't back off on the source thing because you've been here long enough to know and verify that most of the best sources we had who vanished for various reasons had large selections, great products and did not offer liquids. Why not? I can't even recall them offering capsules and they were all UGL's. I've been here a while longer so I can furnish you a nice list in private and you can verify it with other long time members who know.
I can't name them here for obvious reasons.
Well I will tell you from experience my last source used nothing but oral suspension and his gear would blow the panties off many of the sources here,and On the other side of the coin I have had gear from sources that press their own tablets and was not impressed by any means so your point really does not make sense....It is just convenience bro simple as that,Good raw powders is what makes the capsule/tablet/suspension matter and thats it....dont judge a source by their stock judge them by their character and the way they promote/market/blow smoke up people's asses/post mass specs done by crooks/hire high level fanboys/make outrageous claims/tamper with blood work etc using shitty business tactics are a sign of a shitty source that is the stuff you need to look for Not what kind of orals and oils they have listed LoL
I agree. I don't look at the specs, bloods etc. I looked at the reviews from legit users who were longtime members, how long they were here in the top ten, I saw some start small and grow pretty big because they delivered good product and excellent service.
And of course I bought from some and they were excellent. If I started a UGL tonight and had good RAWS I could learn to cook the oils and filer them, I suppose I could get a low end capsule machine, but i could make an liquid oral tonight! Cuz anyone can do it. And it would be good.
Maybe it's just me and I'm crazy, but I like to think that those who sell legit tabs are generally investing more time and money in their business and product and that gives me confidence. Then again I could be deluded.
BTW; I'm near Venice have known and worked out with lots of pros and NPC guys and never knew one who took liquids.Only the best. Maybe times have changed that was 15 years ago or so.
See there you go making statements ".Only the best." your implying that because a UGL produces tab's thats laughable man,Only the best should be a statement if your going right to the pharmacy but since me and you use ugl's I hope you know they all get their raws from the same place most of them...Yes you are deluded to think that because your source spent a few hundred dollars to buy a presser he is somehow more trustworthy then the guy using ora sweet....please don't tell me you see the word lab in his company name and you think he has a lab and a white lab coat to match because the way you judge ugl's due to having a presser it would not surprise me if you said you did LoL....its the ugl game bro don't take the high and mighty stance,you can only qualify for that if you use strictly pharma =) with all due respect
Well between you and me. You can figure out which UGL I use and the gear is comparable to Pharma cuz I've used Pharma right from the actual Pharmacy. There are cooperative docs. And i did use Pharma gear from name brands in the EU.
But no joke; if God forbid anything happens to this source I seriously think I will pay the extra bucks and go back to Pharma. Too many horror stories out there. A source who has been here for years got pushed off the top ten recently cuz of a bad batch of gear gave his customers serious PIP, lumps, bumps. You can figure out who I'm talking about.
BTW; do you ever sleep? lol I have an Rx for Ambien for real. lol
LOL I know brother I made the mistake of doing a big HIIT session late in the day and look at me now haha put those ambient on an IV drip for me now Stat
lol@IV drip Aww...just gimme a Glycogen IV drip when I sleep like Jay Cutler. Of course Ima need a lotta Ambien after my HITT session cuz Ima blast some heavy Tren before the workout! lol
Glycogen without eating after administering, sounds like a good way to die
Not if you know what you;re doing. Just like insulin is a good way to die...but if you know what you;re doing. It is very extreme tho.
I work on an ambulance we use it all the time. If your hypoglycemic and you don't eat after,giving glycogen your screwed. It takes the last of the sugar reserves in your body. That's why we only use as a last resort and give d50 through iv instead. But ok I don't know what I'm doing
Of course you know what you're doing. Some of the bodybuilders who've played with insulin or diuretics and didn't know are no longer with us.
Yup playing with sugar levels is a no no. I would never use insulin. Diuretics well I drink coffee lol
No joke coffee is actually a great Diuretic. There are natural diuretics out there like "Expel", but I've used it and say it's fair at best. Also you take it for 10 days and I think being dehydrated to lesser extent for a longer period of time may be a poor trade off; just not heathy!
I want the "TRUTH"..You cant handle the "TRUTH"
The "Truth"is this was a badly written article! It did not communicate what i was trying to say.
Dude, this is a well written piece with many valid points, Im sure when making liquid orals, the molecular dosage and formulas that are used during synthesis are not something most would grasp. Its not information attained in uncle festers writings either that dumb it down for the average alchemist. How do we really know what synthesis has been used and is it correct. +1 for the good post
TechieI would agree with the majority of what you say.
I can see pharma companies making liquid for childeren, elderly, animals or people with swallowing difficulties.
The only reason I can come up with that ugls would make liquids is they dont want to take the time to make caps or pay for a press. And if thats how they roll then what else are they cutting corners with?
Also medication in liquid form are not as stable as solid dosage forms and can end up with a very short shelf life.
(eMEDexpert.com)
With phamra you dont have to be as concerned with whats entering your body, but for ugls you should take every precausion necessary.
RustyhookerMany pharma preparations are in a suspension. Antibiotics, steroids, etc. Depending on the hospital and provider.
Sublingual is great. I crush my tabs or open my capsules. But guess what? The rest goes to the gut. Which is exactly why items like winny are alkyd. Worried about absorption.....Most meds state TAKE WITH A MEAL. Peanut butter has long been known as a great oily coating that prevents acid attack.
Many oral roids in liquid are also blended in alcohol base. Know why? Alcohol is straight to the blood. That makes it a transport system.
Dropped capsules or tabs. Damn right I pick them up and eat them! Ask the mrs where my mouth has been. Dog hair and lint don't scare me.
Tabs vs capsules. Medically proven there's FASTER absorption via capsules. Read your pharma tabs that say PROTECTIVE COATING. That's for slower absorption past the stomach.
I'd sure be wrong if merc, Pfizer etc have been medically wrong about suspension. Now pass me my Bayer test suspension. I got business to attend.
Wit hall due respect to you too Rusty, plz read my reply to Greg. I have no dispute that a well made liquid will be effective! The point of this article is the sources offering liquids here are not Bayer or Pfizer!
You also proving my point that a protective coated tab is better made wether swallowed or placed under the tongue.
Most tabs are gelatin and breakdown almost immediately! So the HCL destroys them.
RustyhookerDepends on coated or uncoated.
And ugl is not good? But isn't the page you're on often a ugl?
Any source can be shady at the drop of a hat. I simply don't have the time needed to case in point the flaws in your arguments. To each his own.
I've been here long enough to know sources come and go for various reasons. I'm not against UGL's at all as you know i buy from one.
i edited this cuz I apologized for badly mis-communicating what i was trying to say. You and i both know great sources that had great selections and products that disappeared for various reasons, but the higher risk is with those who have limited selections and are newer.
RustyhookerFully agree sir! It's still good to see a nice debate on here and many ideals expressed! Have a great evening