+ 6 DHT AND YOUR HEALTH
I just responded to another individual with urinating problems and I guess in looking around we don't spend near enough time talking about the down sides of what we do in the world of gear. Seems I talk to more and more people that had no idea DHT had a negative impact on the prostate. So you have all heard of prostate problems and prostate cancer, why is it not addressed more here given testosterone and its derivitives will increase your chances of prostate hyperplasia and prostate cancer.
DHT is the root cause of harening and swelling of the prostate. So if you are old enough to have had the wonderful no homo misfortune of having a finger up your ass (not at Goths parties) you know whats going on. Or do you? The Doc is checking to see if your prostate is hard or soft more like a jelly filled bag. Firm and squishy with elastic type quality is what he is looking for. If it feels harder and less plyable or flexible he can get concerned that swelling might be present and require the necessary blood work to diagnose further.
So why is it so important for those of us on gear? Truth is even not using gear one should be using a DHT reducer such as saw palmetto. Some will even use a stronger aid such as propecia on cycle and saw palmetto off cycle. Yeah Tread but I'm only 25 brother, I'm cool right? No, prostate damage is very slow and even most prostate cancers will have been present for many years before signs show up unless you have regular tests to find it. The real problems are usually seen by the time we hit 40 and beyond which include frequent urination, having to urinate long before a younger person would with much less urine coming out and pressure issues or having a hard time getting it going. You hear the kid in the stall at the mall or movies and it sounds like he is running a fire hose in there or a water cutter with this extreme pressure while you're 2 stalls down trying to get the trickle rolling! So maybe you still have water cutter health and thats great but in order to keep it you need to play it smart and cut DHT NOW!
The reason for the problems above are the prostate is becoming less flexible. That means it can't hold as much urine back and it also means it can't cause the sort of pressure that 20 yr old has that can urinate over the prison fence! Kinda like when you have a nice flexible water hose and crimp it and the water blows 20 feet. Now think of grandma's 20 year old hose out in the flowerbed thats all hard and funky and you cant get a good crimp so the water just kinda flows with poor squirt action in 4 directions with no real distance or pressure since its no longer flexible. Had you taken care of the hose it would be fine but instead you just just pissed yourself!
Seriously though, its a big issue and very important for the younger guys to understand its coming for you! The urine issues are only the beginning, it could lead to sexual disfunction, hyperplasia and prostate cancer at a much younger age than is necessary. Find a good DHT supp including saw palmetto and get on this from now on. You may never get to appreciate what its doing for you because you are perfectly fine in that department but the supp will be why. Its easier to prevent health problems than it is to cure them its just hard to find numbers for those who prevented it since proving something that never happened is tough. If you get to be 70 and you don't have prostate cancer then you proved the supps worked and if you still piss like a racehorse at 50 you proved it as well. Spread the word on saw palmetto and how important all the supps are on and off gear. These are huge issues for men not using gear so I can assure you they are mega issues for men that do use!
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Dam good read!!! Picking this up and adding it to my daily supplements !
Hi,
I'm fine tuning my next cycle, and I'm not sure how much saw palmetto should I take.
Im 1,80 meter 40 y.o. 84 kg 16% BF. Cycles is 12 Week Test-e 2x250 and 4 Week D-bol 30-40 mg ED.
I have a bunch of 'health support' i.e. hawthorn berry, NAC, Liv-52 and (of course) saw palmetto.
The palmetto is generic 4:1 extract and 1000 mg caps. Directions say taking 2 caps a day, but I heard of some of you don't take more than 300-400 mg/day.
So what do you think? It would be fine taking 1 cap/day?
Thank you guys.
I'm an old fart and grateful for this thread amongst others from Tread. Prostate health is serious caca !
This is a very good thread, specially for us (old farts).
What do you think about the rol of strogen in prostate issues? I've read elsewhere that lately, urologist are changing their mind and giving a stronger role to strogen as factor for BPH.
tread-mI think you keep your estrogen and shbg in check with aromasin as needed. Specifically to open and close a blast in my opinion. Using a 2 week open just insures a good cycle and a 2 week close insures a good off cycle or cruise (helps). My general is 12.5 eod on those 2 runs unless a problem of high or low is the case and then its an appropriate tweak.
My guess is that it actually has some role in some men. Hormones of any type seem to have effects on different systems in a man's body. DHT has been proven, but just blocking DHT does not work 100% for prostate issues with some men. So something else is probably at play. Possibly estrogen, but I haven't read the definitive proof yet.
I know for me, Proscar does a pretty good job.
100 % agree.
Just seems logical to me that elderly men are more prone to BPH than younger.
In those years, is when test decreases as E2 raise. So E2 has something to say ...
Nice write Trend.
I think you could be the next Dr. OZ. " The Dr. Trend Show ", kind of has a ring to it eh?
Does Grrrl know what Goth is doing in the back room at their parties?
What sort of dose of Saw should be taken...in mG?
tread-mMy supp is 320 or 340 ED
great post, as usual.
Look at the history of the males in your family. Did your dad have any issues with this?
Mine did. I was proactive and the proscar definitely helps (and might help you keep your hair too if you have that issue, I did). But I was only proactive because I listened to my dad's advice, and the issues he explained to me.
Bloodwork also can help, for example the PSA measurement.
Keep your muscles, and your firehose, in top shape.
tread-mNice point, psa check very important.
Damn, now I'm nervous. I'm 31. I am not running anything right now. It's been about 3 months since my last pin. I've noticed something strange for the last few weeks. In the middle of the night , I wake up out of a dead sleep with intense blatter pressure. It feels like someone is sitting on my stomach . Not only the sensation that I have to piss like a race horse but sometimes feels like I need to drop a deuce, but i never actually have to . When I go it's not a trickle, it's fairly normal but it's so damn often. 2,3,4 times a night. It's not like I drinking gallons of water before bed. I realize that sometimes you just need to piss and there's nothing strange about that but for me this isn't normal. Especially at night. I'm making an appointment Monday. Will saw help me at this point in the meantime? If so can anyone help with the dosages and frequency?
tread-mIt will help. Likely nothing to worry about at your age but it is probably a little temporary prostate issue. Don't sweat it just get on it. Saw palmetto for life unless a better supp shows up. You fight dht for life though on or off gear.
Thanks man. Picking it up this week
Thank you tread. I'm one of those 25'ers but you are right, prevention is way easier than treatment. Just ordered a big bottle of saw-pa from vitacost. I started busting up at the water cutter remarks lol.
For the UK guys Holland and Barrett (one of the few uk wide health shops) have an offer on saw palmetto (better than their usual rip-off prices):
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/categories.asp?cid=49
Thanks for the post tread, i'd no idea it was such a problem.
AnonThat is GURU up in here chit! Going to get some saw palmetto right now.
tread-mDon't smoke it, its an oral!
sgtstedankoSHIT!!! ; (
tread-mToo late?
In regard to dosing the saw palmetto; while on cycle, should the dosage be increased or should it be a consistent dosage regardless? Also, after doing a little research on this after seeing you reference DHT and saw palmetto yesterday, I wasn't able to find a consistent recommended dose, what would you recommend?
tread-mI use the daily single tab on my multi supp. Its not over night I'm sure if the problem is already there but I suspect this will help in time and its just a "from now on" thing. Hyperplasia is very serious in that your risk of prostate cancer goes through the roof once present and of course the chance that you live with a lot of sexual and urine quality isssues is high. The prevent is the deal. If a serious problem comes up then you thinker stronger but if diet is in lace and you take the supp and drink a lot of water then I think you probably push off hyperplasia for a very long time with or without gear use. As one Doc put it, it will eventually get us all "if we live long enough", some faster than others just like some are more prone to hair loss than others but eventually the prostate has taken all it can with DHT and the negative things happen. If you put it off until 70 or 80 then if you are still around I suspect better scien,ce will be around to help. Just postponing the inevitable is the idea.
Thanks for all that tread, goy to say i am ok right now but will be starting saw tomorrow,prevention is better than cure!!!! nice brother
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