+ 1 Test P, NPP cycle.
Age: 32 years old
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 200 lbs.
BF%: 10%
I'd like to lose some fat while gaining quality lean muscle. I want to gain a little mass, but my main concentration will be to get more defined. My concern is to not lose my libido or my ability to have sex while on cycle or while doing my PCT. I'm getting this cycle ready for the end of the summer. I want to add Winstrol into this cycle, but I would like recommendations on how to do so. Should I run it throughout the cycle, or at the end only? Please help me with doses as well. I have an oil based geneza injectable whose concentration is 40mg/mL. And I bumped up the doses of the test and npp, please let me know if I've gone overboard with the doses. Thanks in advance!
Prior cycles:
1-Test E + anavar + proviron- 12 weeks. This was my first cycle. I got a lot of false information, it was pre-eroids. I learned a lot on what not to do, as well as what to do in regards to aas use. I also learned about how my body will react to these hormones. I did a proper PCT as I came to this site and was taught 'the standard pct'. I got decent results here, I just experienced estrogen issues. It was too low, or too high, and I caught some rebound.
2-Test enanthate 600mg/week. 12 weeks. This cycle went great for me. I used arimidex, and implemented hcg into the mix. Proper aromasin, clomid, nolvadex PCT. This was a positive cycle for me, and I consider it my first educated, and well thought out and prepared cycle.
3-Test E (600mg/wk), Masteron E (500mg/wk), with a Test prop kicker (100mg/EOD). I'm wrapping up this cycle now. This cycle has been amazing, and has truly transformed my body. What a great experience. I've implemented hcg, as well as aromasin in to the cycle. I had a few bumps in the road with estrogen (joint problems), but with some help from more experienced members I've conquered that and I now know what dose of aromasin my body responds well to. I will be starting PCT 2 weeks after final pin.
| Week | Test Prop | npp | Winstrol (oil based) | hcg | Cabergoline | arimidex | nolvadex | clomid | aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | ||||||
| 2 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | ||||||
| 3 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | 500 iu | .25mg e3d | .25 mg eod | |||
| 4 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | 500 iu | .25mg e3d | .25 mg eod | |||
| 5 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | 500 iu | .25mg e3d | .25 mg eod | |||
| 6 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | 500 iu | .25mg e3d | .25 mg eod | |||
| 7 | 800mg | 600 mg | ? | 500 iu | .25mg e3d | .25 mg eod | |||
| 8 | 800 mg | 600 mg | ? | 500 iu | .25mg e3d | .25 mg eod | |||
| 9 | .25mg e3d | 20mg/day | 100 mg/day | 12.5 mg/day | |||||
| 10 | .25mg e3d | 20mg/day | 100 mg/day | 12.5 mg/day | |||||
| 11 | .25mg e3d | 10mg/day | 50 mg/day | 6.25 mg/day | |||||
| 12 | .25mg e3d | 10mg/day | 50 mg/day | 6.25 mg/day | |||||
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This is almost identical to what I'm about to run. That's a long time to run a short Esther. You might want to take a couple weeks off as your gains are going to plateau at a certain point. Plus running hcg for that long is not so good. It should be split 250iu 2X/week btw. Check out my cycle on my profile.
I will cut it 2 weeks then. I was told that before, so now it's gonna change up. How would you run the HCG in this kind of situation? What weeks should I be taking it 250iu @ 2 times/week?
Yes on the hcg. Steady at 250iu twice a week until a few days before pct. No "blasting" like some guys suggest.
And what weeks should I be taking it? Is my outlined cycle cool? Or would you change it?
Another thing, I see how 350npp at 100 eod adds up. But how are you planning on hitting 600 with the test eod? How many mg are you pinning eod?
I have prop250 so I was planning on pinning an approximate amount of 200mg EOD. Whatever fraction of the cc that comes to.
Btw I friended you.
Ok so about 700. Damn son! Prop 250, that's gonna feel great! Where'd you find that at?
I got it from mutagenic.co FR accepted!
To be honest I might still take two more weeks off for a couple reasons. One, after 8 weeks your gains are gonna be minimal. 8 weeks of p will be equivalent to 12 weeks of a longer esther. Two, I prefer to start hcg on the third week so you don't have testicular atrophy, and it's not good to run hcg longer than about 6 weeks. So that goes perfect with weeks 3 through 8 of your cycle. See what I mean?
OK, I changed it, thanks. What do you mean when you say gains are gonna be minimal? Are you saying it should be a longer cycle?
Ok I see what you did, that's not really what I meant. Take a look at my cycle on my profile. It should be structured like that. If you're set on running a ten week cycle, make sure you run the hcg the last six weeks.
Ok, I just looked at it. I'll just run the same cycle you listed. Let me know how it goes for you. I won't be starting this until mid next year, but I'd love to hear about your results.
Ya for sure. I will be updating on my cycle log every couple weeks too. I'm starting my cycle mid December.
No no, I'm saying eight is plenty with short esthers. More would be pretty pointless cause you won't gain much more at all after 8. Most short esther cycles are 8 weeks.
OK, and one more thing. You have 40/40/20/20 with Nolvadex PCT. Do you think that's necessary with all these guys saying 20/20/10/10 is the way to go? Just trying to get an idea of what I should do.
No it's not necessary. They way you have it will do the trick. I may adjust mine, haven't decided yet. I just ran it higher before and had a good recovery.
This is a great cycle but really for the more experienced. Pinning technique, site rotation, site training as well as dealing with PIP are considerations before attempting a cycle like this.
A 12wk Test/500 Deca/400 with a tight low sodium diet a d LOTS of water is also a way to go
do you think a cycle like this: http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/possible-second-cycle would be more ideal? I'd just have to replace the masteron p with masteron e and change up the injection times on it. would that make sense?
If you are stuck on the short ester cycle then do all shorts. You wouldn't run test p with mast e. You could run a test e cycle with a mast p finisher though and that would take the possible/probable 19 sides out of the picture... Are you researching compounds or just looking around seeing what looks good? Not busting balls, just asking the question...
What about test e and mast e? I've been researching the compounds and trying to include the one's that seem to fit my goals as best as I can. I have certain compounds on hand that I would like to use, rather than having to purchase more. What probably sides are you referring to exactly?
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Although npp can be awesome id stick with test 500 and Deca400
I never upped the ante till i pinned calf right to left then worked my way up right to left
Diet diet and diet
Also id try sus250 maybe if you want to have a fun test only cycle.....check that liver enzyme count as well anytime you pill it i noticed you have run test with anavar
thanks, I'm doing what I can to stay in tune with my body so that I don't have any issues, and getting bloods done is really key I'm learning. I'm shying away from oral steroids due to the liver toxicity issue.
Ok, I may save the npp for a later date then. Ill post another idea cycle in the next few days. Thanks
theres a few things that need to be changed but first, whats your cycle history bro?
I've only done a test only cycle and a test + anavar cycle
AnonI would take a look at a test e / EQ cycle, a lot less pins and less on cycle meds too. For the same result, just need to run it a bit longer. Or take a look at 1-test cyp. Ofcorse if this is ur first cycle it should be test e or p
I was looking into a test/eq cycle but decided to purchase the npp instead for some reason? I have some test e on hand that i could replace the test prop with.