Test E + EQ + test prop kicker.
Age-33
6'0
200lbs
13-14% BF - I was around 9-10% last summer, but was slacking on my diet, and I rationalized it by saying I was doing a winter bulk. I did gain mass, and continued working out, but like I said, I could have eaten cleaner. Now I have been doing a paleo diet, and am down to 13%-14% bf from around 16%, and that is in just 3.5 weeks. By the time Mid May comes around, I'd like to be at <12% before I start with this round of the AAS, and at this pace, and with my vigilant dieting and workout routine I should be able to achieve this.
My goal is to expose those muscles more that are being hidden beneath the fat. I'd like to lose fat, while gaining some quality muscle. I'm not looking for a quick watery bulk, but more of a slower, more quality in lean muscle tissue, that I will be able to preserve (as much as possible) after the cycle is done. I'd like to increase definition as well as vascularity, these things are important for me.
My past experiences are as follows (and can be seen on 'my cycles' portion of my profile. Started with Test E cycle only (12 week). My next one was a Test E with an anavar finisher (12 week). I did not like the anavar, it made my muscles too tight. I play a sport where this is counter productive, otherwise I would have liked it. The cycle after this was a Test E/Masteron E (12 week) cycle with a Test P kicker which was GREAT! And my most recent cyle which was in late summer-fall was a Test P/NPP cycle which was effective (8 week). I preceded these cycles with 'the standard PCT', and it got be back to homeostatis quickly. I used Hygetropin and Riptropin during the past two cycles, and was taking it for quite some time to bridge these cycles in a sense. I enjoyed that a lot. But now I cannot afford the Hgh, so I am going for a pure AAS cycle, and I need YOUR expert opinions. As of now, I have Test E, Test P, Boldenone U, and Boldenone Ace. I am thinking of running a 16 week cycle with a prop kicker and Boldenone acetate kicker. I have a bunch of anadrol on hand which I would like to try, but I understand this would go against the lean gains goals I mentioned above, but if it could be useful for a several weeks in the beginning to add some size, I'd be willing to hear some comments? I have Liv-52 on hand, and some other liver support to combat liver damage. I'm not going to rush into this cycle, I'd like to do this the right way with the help, and feedback of the experienced eroids community. This is the only forum I enter, and many of you I trust. I posted a cycle plan a few weeks back, but this is the vision I conjured up, but of course this could all be altered subjectively. I want to get big for the summer, while shredding out a bit. I know with diet I can accomplish this. Thanks to all in advance, it is much appreciated!
| Week | Test E | Test P | Bold U | T-bol | Proviron | Arimidex | HCG | Clomid | Nolvadex | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 1000mg/week | 25mcg/EOD as needed | ||||||
| 2 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 1000mg/week | 25mcg/EOD as needed | ||||||
| 3 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 600mg/week | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 4 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 600mg/week | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 5 | 500mg | 600mg/week | 25mcg EOD | |||||||
| 6 | 500mg | 600mg/week | 25mcg EOD | |||||||
| 7 | 500mg | 600mg/week | 25mcg EOD | |||||||
| 8 | 500mg | 600mg/week | 50mg/ED | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 9 | 500mg | 600mg/week | 50mg/ED | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 10 | 500mg | 600mg/week | 50mg/ED | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 11 | 250mg | 600mg/week | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 12 | 250mg | 600mg/week | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 13 | 250mg | 600mg/week | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 14 | 250mg | 600mg/week | 30mg/ED | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | |||||
| 15 | 250mg | 600mg/week | 30mg/ED | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | |||||
| 16 | 250mg | 30mg/ED | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | ||||||
| 17 | 30mg/ED | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | 500iu/ED | ||||||
| 18 | 30mg/ED | 50mg/day | 25mcg EOD | 500iu/ED | ||||||
| 19 | 100mg/day | 20mg/day | 12.5mg/day | |||||||
| 20 | 100mg/day | 20mg/day | 12.5mg/day | |||||||
| 50mg/day | 10mg/day | 6.25mg/day | ||||||||
| 50mg/day | 10mg/day | 6.25mg/day |
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RustyhookerBold ace. Practice blending skills throughly. Agree with makwa. Your eq and test should be changed a lot. 600/600 first 10-12Weeks then drop that test to 300 til week 18.
So equal levels of test to eq for the first 10-12 weeks? 600mgs of each. And then you recommend I drop the test down to 300mgs a week sometime between weeks 10-12. should I keep the eq at 600mg/week while the test is at 300mgs? Should i stop the eq a few weeks prior to the test like in my plan above? Can you explain what you mean by practice blending skills. Sorry for all the questions I just want to understand 100%. Thanks for taking the time to help me out!
RustyhookerYessir. It's basically manipulating the test for "wet/dry" bulk. Test converts at higher rate so you can hold some water. Eq is less conversion to estro and a good lean mass builder. So you can go as short as 16Weeks with eq....then 17 with test e and 19 starts pct. Makwa has it below. Hope you enjoy your cycle. Im on day 17 with eq and it's my favorite. Clean gains and well kept if food adjustments continue. Makwa has a great forum on foods. Pick his brain for sure
Thanks, I've changed up the game plan chart. I'm happy to hear that you enjoy EQ. I've not tried it before, but hear mixed reviews on it.
RustyhookerTwo trains of thought. Add 20lbs in 12Weeks then water drops thru pct to end with 12. Or add 12lbs dry n solid and finish pct with 12 solid. I like the dry gains. But winter bulker will be the wet mass.
what's the point of the wet mass bulk when it doesn't last? I just changed the cycle up and eliminated the Bold ace. It may be too intense for me.
That is basically how I have my EQ cycle structured 500/600 Test/EQ for the first half of cycle and 250/600 for the last half. Bold Ace is known for horrendous pip. Be prepared to blend it with something to try and reduce pip.
I'm going to your page to take a look at your cycle. I read the pip was bad, but damn, I'll have to dilute it with some GSO then. Thanks for the help
Drop the Adrol. You are already kicking with the test P. I would be worried about my head exploding from high BP with Adrol and Bold ace together. I have never used Bold ace before but you may be able to get by with shorter time frame with the EQ if using the ace to kick with but all of the research I have done about Boldenone shows that the compound itself, whether fast acting or the undec ester, is best ran for a longer period of time to experience its maximum benefit.
Ok, I'll scrap the Anadrol then. I thought that the Boldenone Ace would get things started quicker in the same way the Test P would get my test levels up quicker as well. Some say to run the EQ for long periods, and from what I read this is the general consensus. I do not want to go longer than 16 weeks. I've done 12 week cycles no problem, but figured I'd do an extra 4 weeks since the EQ takes so long to stabilize in the blood. How does everything else look? *Cycle edited to remove Anadrol.
I just started a Test e/EQ cycle. I have planned it out for 24wks but will be aborting earlier if BP issues arise. If it was me I would drop the test down to 500mg/wk, especially since you are running provi 750mg is too much in my opinion and will lead to more possible bloat and not allowing the effects of the EQ to shine.
Ok I will drop it down to 500. How do you like eq in comparison to masteron?
Never ran mast before. I definitely like the provi though. No need for higher doses of test with it.
Ok I see. Do you think 25mg/day proviron is adequate or should I bump it to 50mg a day?
I do 50mg first thing in the morning on empty stomach
I see. I will do that. I eliminated the Bold Ace from the cycle. It seems good in theory, but the potential list of negative experiences deter me from trying it out. I can't afford the sides to happen in my day to day life. I'll increase the mg's early on to front load a bit in hopes that the EQ will build up quicker in the blood. And I will increase the proviron to 50mg/day