Test E/Tren E/Dbol
EDIT** - Revise my cycle after some well laid out arguments. Now my cycle is an accurate depiction of what I've done thus far. Ignore the test trumping the tren in the beginning. I'm now doing Tren@650 and Test@400. As soon as I run the tren out, I'll up the test again...unless this isn't a good idea. Once again, still open to suggestions. Thanks.
6'1"
235lbs (have been on cycle 3 weeks, but I started out at 226)
25y/o
12%bf
Been lifting for 10 years. Had some serious bouts of real committed hard work between 15-19, dropped off a bit during my early 20s, and have never missed more than two days at a time since 23.
Started running gear at age 24 and have had two prop standalone cycles and then two prop+tren a cycles after that.
I'm well versed in all that you need to maintain your gains after cycling, and have a large amount of ancillaries I'm running concurrently as well. I opted for the longer ester compounds because I'm sick of pinning all the time and wanted to see how I react to enanthate compounds.
Never done orals before and have been very excited to see their effects.
My goals are to just pack on as much mass as possible but in the leanest of ways. I'm not doing a recomp, but the effects of tren with a modest diet (3500-4000cals/day) will certainly change up my physique.
I started this cycle on March 19th and have never felt so beast. Dbol is quite the drug (first time ever taking it). I have gained a decent amount of strength. Not as explosive as I thought it was going to be, but I'm slowly gaining some good stats.
I started my prami/letro early because:
1. I'm super gyno prone and the dbol must've set me off quick as hell because 7 days in I started having a bit of pain under my nipples.
2. Though the tren has yet to kick in (it feels), I use the prami as a sleep aid as I do have some trouble going to sleep, which is never the case off cycle for me. But it helps, and I can deal with estro gyno, but the thought of me lactating from prog related gyno scares the shit outta me so I started that shit just a bit quicker than may be needed.
I'll post after cycle pics and I hope you guys enjoy the ride with me.
| Week | Test E | Tren E | Dbol | Letro | Prami | Milk Thistle | N2Guard | LiverCare | HCG | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 700mg | 500mg | 50mg/ED | 350mgED | 2capsED | |||||
| 2 | 700 | 500 | 50mg/ED | Ramped up dosage to 1.8mgs/day | .5mg/day | 350mgED | 7caps/day | 2capsED | ||
| 3 | 700 | 500 | 50mg/ED | Ramped up dosage to 1.8mgs/day | 1mg/day | 350mgED | 7caps/day | 2capsED | ||
| 4 | 400 | 650 | 50mg/ED | Depending on gyno issues, I hope to only have to run 1mg/day | 1mg/day | 350mgED | 7caps/day | 2capsED | ||
| 5 | 400 | 650 | 50mg/ED | 1mg/day | 1mg/day | 350mgED | 7caps/day | 2capsED | 500iu | |
| 6 | 400 | 650 | 1mg/day | 1mg/day | 350mgED | 7caps/day | 2capsED | 500iu | ||
| 7 | 400 | 650 | 1mg/day | 1mg/day | 7caps/day | 500iu | ||||
| 8 | 400 | 650 | 1mg/day | 1mg/day | 7caps/day | 500iu | ||||
| 9 | 700 | 1mg/day | 1mg/d | 7caps/day | 500iu | |||||
| 10 | 700 | 1mg/day | 1mg/d | 7caps/day | 500iu | |||||
| 11 | 700 | 1mg/day | 500iu | |||||||
| 12 | 700 | 1mg/day | 500iu | |||||||
| 13 | ||||||||||
| 14 | ||||||||||
| 15 | 100mgFirst Day/50mgED after | |||||||||
| 16 | 50mgED | |||||||||
| 17 | 25mgED | |||||||||
| 18 | 25mgED |
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AnonWaaaay too long on the dbol especially if you are gyno prone. If I were you I would run 30-35mg per week for 4 weeks of dbol
My caps only come in 25s...impossible to split unless I wanna start opening them up lol. I may stop at 4 weeks but I have controlled my flare up and am now dropping the letro dose down daily.
AnonIf your body reacts well to tren why not drop the test to 250-350mg and up the tren a bit!? This is a question not advice
I think I may do this. With my supply I have left I could hypothetically run tren@650/wk for 6 more weeks and do test at 500/wk for up to 12 after that. I had a friend run the same suppliers test at 500 and he had good results but I wouldn't wanna go under that.
AnonJust remember at one point tren will hog all available receptors! It has a much higher binding affinity and all this will lead to is most of your test convertin into estro! I think you'll find when most ppl talk about 'tren' sides they are infact 'estro' sides! Lets say your body only has '1000' androgen receptors and u have been running 400 test and 400 tren.. Each compound is able to do its own unique thing and not really get in the way of eachother.. So u raise the dose.. 600 test and 600 tren.. Again most of the compounds are freely doin their own thing but ur left with 200 test to convert to estro and either cause some nasty sides or be controlled with an ai.. Yet all seems well and its time for another cycle.. Lets do 800 test and 800 tren!!!! What the heck weve done well the previous 2 cycles everthin was under control and we had massive gains due to the tren!! Soo.. We have 800 tren doin its thing and 200 test fillin the gaps! Yet 600 estro being an utter bitch! Its all good tho were controlling most of it with our ai's and these fkn gains are AWESOME!!!!
The point is.. Your body can only handle so much hormone and as weve found above whats left is left to convert! So in the end adding extra testosterone is nothing but counter productive!! Its like inviting 20 mates around to share a game of the xbox! Most of em will just end up fuckin ur house up sitting around getting bored!!!
There was a huge debate and discussion amongst the PROS and VETS of this community a few months back and this argument im bringing forth is a result of their findings! Your mate may well have ran the exact same label at 600mg and had some aaaawesome results on the test! But you may find a large majority of ur awesome test will awesome estro!
Food for thought
*edit
I just noticed your 'super' gyno prone.. Dude ur in for a surprise if u keep raising that test dose aswell as ur tren ;) good luck
Welp I'm convinced...I'm gonna lower my test to 400 and bump the tren to 650.
Anonhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/tren-and-test-fight-for...
Have a read through that bro theres soo many great experiences mixed with some awesome theories!! On one hand you have guys like big Vike an absolute guru of the bb steroid world and would out 99% of us to shame.. He runs very high amounts of both test and tren BUT he works his absolute arse of training is his life!! And its also fair to say that he'd have more active androgen receptors just due to the sheer amount of muscle and hardwork (reminds me of another theory/fact that trainbrain put forward, i think it was basically the more saturated ones androgen receptors are the more the body tries to produce androgen receptors, kinda kike a carpark bro it doesnt wanna get jammed up with cars so it adds more and more to compensate cause at the end of the day the body is built to grow!) anyhows u have guys like VIKE running huge amounts of test and tren and not havin any real estro sides but at the end of the day if he were to continually increase his test and tren there would come a point where the unbound test would eventually convert as theres nothing else for it to do :/ its healthy to have excess testosterone but to much will just be a waste if gear...
Then we have the typical average old tren/test user and after a huge debate with the top guys theyve found the general consensus to be a ratio of around 2/1 in trens favour, to have the greatest possible effect while havin respect for gyno issues.. 'Generally' when raising tren doses its always best to start the test at a trt dose and then slowly increase test or tren or both to find the individuals sweetspot! And lets not forget the MASSIVE difference of effects associated with ADEX and ASIN! Asin will bind up most converted estro and stop it dead in its tracks and ADEX will prevent the conversion of test to estro.. In theory allowing for these super high test doses keeping most unbound test 'free'... Make sure u give the debate a good read and add a little bit of ur own ideas mate were all here to learn eh!?
Very interesting info. I really appreciate you showing me this. So my cycle layout has been performed exactly as it says thus far. 700mgs/test-500mg/tren.
I'm going to do 650tren (I've ran tren before from same supplier and I deal well with it), and 400test. 400mg/wk of test should do me well. My big question is:
I always run test two weeks or more after my tren runs out. I'll be running the tren e for 8 weeks (I wish I could run it longer, but I'll have run out exactly at week 8). Once my tren runs out, I'll have a good amount of test left over. At this point, should I up the test dosage again seeing there won't be any "competition" of the ARs?
AnonDefinitely!
Great. Even more stoked on this cycle than I already was.
AnonLets be honest if you get to week 8 and your sides are minimal theres absolutly no harm in raising that test as much as u can! But one shouldnt jump in a racecar with their foot to the floor! Start at the safest dose and find ur sweet spot! But id only raise the test mid cycle if things were goin well and i didnt have enough to raise the tren dose!
Awesome. Should be a killer cycle.
Just my 2 cents bro but i would only run the test e at 350 mg or 400 mg a week since your running a good amount of tren e and dbol paralell with it. Only because it should help reduce any of the estro issues and should help cut down on the water retention since your going for lean gains. Unless you have specific reason for running it that high. Most people only run test at ab half the tren there running. But everyone's different, like i said, it's just my two cents. Your lookin pretty well stacked already anyway. Good luck with the cycle you should definitely be pleased by the end of it.
I've ran test prop at 600mg/week & 400mg/tren ace and I heard from my supplier that since I ran those compounds before with phenomenal results and maintained them well after, I should run these longer-esthered at a bit higher of amount to get the same effect.
I do keep hearing along the boards that people are starting to run their tren equal or higher than their test and with good results. This seems to be a recent modification because long before that it was always a 2:1 test/tren ratio you'd always hear. I can't complain about the way I've ran my ratios before, but your method could ensure that I have a longer test cycle which I would definitely be game for.
Thanks for the feedback.
Prop doesn't county towards weekly values. You wouldn't count a steak you ate on Monday as part of your macros on Saturday. I'm in no way experienced with tren use but my understanding (asterisk) is that tren hogs androgen receptors leaving the majority of your test free, more free test leads to greater estrogen conversion. Anyways, just my understanding, good luck bud.
Seeing that my cycle has yet to initiate my enth esters (at least visibly)is it even possible that my excess test would be alrrady converting to estrogen? So far I think its the dbol but I've stabilized my gyno with letro already. I think I'm gonna drop down my test to 500/wk then anyway. It would make my cycle longer too. Thanks for the advice.
Dbol use requires the use of an AI soon to immediate. If you start experiencing sides, maybe drop your test down to a just above TRT dose like 250mg a week. Good luck bud.
Never used dbol before this cycle but I will readily frontload letro next time in order to prevent flare up.
Letro is fairly harsh, aromasin should do the trick.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
It is harsh but its all tht works for me. I've ised aromasin at full dosage and it still didmt combat my gyno.
Maybe not for gyno but for maintaining steady E2 serum levels, also keep in mind, there's no amount of letro or aromasin that will combat prolactin based gyno. Without bloods while you're experiencing gyno, it's just guess work.
I've got the prami for prog gyno.
your sleep will improve if you drop your test down equal. i just was running mine a bit too high on a similar cycle and sides were terrible, no sleep, sweat, lethargic...dropped my test down a bit and im sitting good now...
EDIT: my bad i see you dont want advice but you might wanna read this after you lose sleep for a couple of weeks
My sleeplessness has been attributed to my caffeine intake thus far and perhaps the dbol(?). I'm going to be done with week three at the end of tomorrow and I'm a pretty slow responder to the depots. Prop I feel took me almost two weeks to really notice anything and they were from a well-respected source. So I can only imagine how long it will take for the enth's to kick in. I'll see once activation occurs how I should handle my dosages, but I've ran prop@600mgs-tren ace@400mgs with minimal sides. The prami really helps, so I hope this cycle is like lasts.
Rustyhooker4 cycles is well versed? Double check your pct
What do you propose then? I didn't include DAA but ill be running that too. I'm not running nolva, no need and too liver toxic. Alrrady got some dbol to methylate my liver all up.