-1 Prop/Tren Ace Lean Bulk Cycle
About to start my third cycle. Looking to get to about 8% BF and really bring out my legs and arms (least aesthetic muscle groups on me).
6'1"
24y/o
230lbs
11%bf
This is my third cycle and have ran prop and tren ace both times before. I am a avid fan of the effects of tren and am looking forward to Apotek's flame product I've been hearing all over eroids.
I'm open to any modifications EXPERIENCED gearheads can back up with solid experience and/or literature. I will be trying Aromasin for an AI this time around and hope it's effects can be mostly comparable to Letro without the shitty sides.
I'm not posting my diet and workout regime because they vary on a daily basis. I will get 200+g's protein a day and am going to try and hit a calorie deficit by staying around 3000kcal's/day. I will do cardio but only as a fat burner in order to keep the heart healthy even though tren will probably shut me down hard like it always does when it comes to cardio.
I will workout probably 6 days a week and rotate body parts based on how they feel, but with this product, I barely get sore so it is a bit tough to gauge expend-ability of muscle. I will incorporate drop sets and negatives to fully induce muscle hypertrophy alongside a 12-8 rep range for all muscle groups excluding abs/calves.
I will post a post-cycle pic when the cycle is through. Can't wait to get shredded. Once again, critiques are wanted!!!
| Week | Testosterone Propionate | Trenbolone Acetate | Aromasin | HCG | Pramipexole | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 2 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 3 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 4 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 5 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 6 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 7 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 8 | 600mg | 400mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | .5mg/day | ||
| 9 | 600mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | ||||
| 10 | 600mg | 12.5mg/EOD | 500iu | ||||
| 11 | 100mg/ED | 40mg/ED | |||||
| 12 | 100mg/ED | 40mg/ED | |||||
| 13 | 50mg/ED | 40mg/ED | |||||
| 14 | 50mg/ED | 40mg/ED |
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How did this work out for u?
It worked out very well. I've ran a few cycles after this, but the size and shape I've achieved with cycling has been tremendous. My shoulders pop even while off cycle, and seeing I neglected legs for a long time when I first started lifting, I've been able to bring them up to a comparable size concerning my upper body. I like tren, but it does mind fuck me a bit. A little too much anxiety than I'd like to deal with at times.
I'm not an expert, but I do know that Letro will cause some rebound...(experience)!!! If it was me, I would look at a different AI and follow VIKING's plan of PROP/TREN ratio.
GOOD LUCK!!!!
For me a 10 wk cutter would go like this with the gear you have......
WK 1-10 PROP @ 100MG EOD = 400MG.
WK 1-10 TREN @ 150MG EOD = 600MG.
Thats one gram in total 100mg less than you planned but at this ratio will give far superior results with zero chance of any test bloat... dosage is plenty to keep libido up and you will notice a decrease in tren sides... TIP... drop carbs to no more than 50grams pr day for last two weeks... come back to tell me i am the king and thank me for the best advice you ever had when results speak for themselves.
Thank you for taking the time to learn from the master... yes i have a big head but 17 trophys speak for themselves.... have fun.... V.
It's guys like you that make me realize I don't know shit and to keep researching, researching, and more researching.
The "basics," are simple= tren/prop or Masteron/prop/anavar would in my mind be beneficial and a "cutter" with proper diet. But it's back to the drawing board for me and thanks for the receptor talk it makes sense.
As for the cycle it look fun as hell and good luck man!
Yeah, it should be a good session coming up. I feel you on the uncertainty of certain cycles. I've read tons of posts which have always stated having a 2:1 test/tren ratio, and then you get some guy who has decades of experience under their belt stating differently. No one's wrong because there is no credentialed evidence for anyone's claim other than experience which equals to zero. Safest bet is to start with something mild and graduating from there with what works for you with a snapshot of what the AAS community has established as most effective. It's an uncertain road but knowing the science behind these products will never hurt.
I appreciate your input, though I've already put the order in for dosages more geared for 2:1 prop/tren ratio. I hate getting feedback like this that's the complete opposite of what the norm is on these boards. I'm not discrediting your protocol, but at this point, I could not run that cycle.
No problemo!.... its your choice at the end of the day,like always bro!
zewiCause Uncle zewi cares
"This is my third cycle and have ran prop and tren ace both times before"so we already no you are going to run Tren A and Test P regardless.
"I'm extremely gyno prone"-you can help this by lowering your test. Tren and Test go after the same receptors, Tren wins most of the time, so that leaves more Test floating out there turning to Estrogen, try bring down the test p to 500mg. It will help with gyno and you will more than likely see even better results.
PCT-IMO i think its weak, I would go clomid 100/100/50/50 Nova 40/40/20/20
as for an AI--which i don't think you should use letro just have it on hand. IMO if your lower the Test p to 500mg that would help, and since you are pron to gyno for an AI i would go with Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD it binds and holds on to estro and doesn't let go like Arimidex does at time.
Getting to 8% will be tough that's all diet, watch when you are taking carbs, I usually stop my carbs at fruit by 2pm and only take carbs after that if i fill tired or need energy, however i still take some carbs before i go workout, only cause i no i'll burn through that. I do this to really try to have by body working of protein and to increase using fat as energy, and not the carbs.
Should I keep the tren at 400mg/week then still? Heard you should strive for a 2:1 test/tren ratio so you don't shutdown yourself too hard. I appreciate the feedback and will def pickup aromasin bc I would like to stay away from letro at all costs.
Tren and test fight for same receptors so with that being said what do you think you should do??? IME less test more tren. = perfection...
zewi2:1 is good. But remember tren and Test go after same receptors you going to Shut down regardless that's why you see HCG in tren runs. If you libido is good your good, if there are no sides your good. Everyone is different.
You want to get them as close as possible for best results.
And if you don't want to go down to 500 go to 600 first and see how that feels.
I think ill try 600 at first. Last cycle I was running 2.5mgs/day of letro and still had a sex drive but idw ride that boat again. The after cycle repurcussions were harsh.
zewiYeah go with Aromasin i think it will work better in your case, still have that letro on hand though
Yep, always got it on hand. Cleared gyno for me that I had for 5years from shitty OTC PHs from back in the day. Its a love/hate relationship with that stuff.
My HCG protocols, how do you feel about that?
zewimight be high.. Remember HCG converts to estro to.
I think you would see same doing 500iu a week. And it will help with having more estro again. Again this is knowing your body, Your testis are going to shirk regardless, how is HCG but you don't need to over kill it(over kill can lead to more estro) you need to keep them alive.
Would it be more effective then to take the Hcg starting at week 1 and goin thru to week 10 at 500ius/week?
Not tren for third....please research.....pct off....ai off....
mast instead for 3rd cycle?
EasEasy prop mast var. Hell for third simple prop mast he'd do great. So yes you're correct!
Would love to try masteron one time. Unfortunately I've topped my financial limit with this cycle and could not incorporate it thus further. I've had really good gains with tren/prop though with about 80% of gains kept. AI protocols are always cumbersome though, so hopefully next time I can use mast to rid of this annoyance
Mast isn't ai. Like zewi said aromasin works better and won't give estro rebound.
At leadt your researching bro. Be safe!
I heard it acts as an inadvertent AI. But thanks, lookin forward to aromasin.
Many folks come on here trying to use it instead of ai....then come back on with gyno. Lol! So yes...it's a mild blocker but not for a stronger cycle. Just had to add all that cuz newbs will read it and dump their ai for estro bloat.