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+ 6 Recomp/cut ** changed compounds

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Over the last 2 years, I've had a lot going on. I haven't kept up high level bodybuilding. Ive gained a bit of fat, but have kept most of my mass. Last serious thing I did was the EBC 2 years ago. I was in the top 10 and I looked pretty awesome.
It's time to re gain mass and lose the little fat I have this summer. With that said, here is the cycle details.
Wk 1-20 test isocaproate 1000mg/wk
Wk 1-20 primo e 1000mg/wk
Wk 1-20 hgh 4iu/day
Wk 15-20 tren a 25mg/day
Wk 15-20 winny susp. 50mg/day
No ais or serms unless needed

Calories will be at 3.2k working down,
Last 6 wks is keto.
EDIT
6 weeks into the cycle, I changed compound due to primo making me shed hair a little too much. (I have perfect hair genetics, and have never shed before).

The edited cycle looks like this:
Test 700mg/wk
DHB 560mg/wk, 80mg/d
Mast p 350mg/wk, 50mg/day

As soon as I stopped and started this new edited cycle, my hair shedding stopped. I will not include the tren ace and winny at the tail end of the cycle because I don't need it, as I'm getting really lean, and this DHB is giving me tren like effects.

Also I must note that very early on I increase my calories to 4,900. 60% protein 20% fat 20% carbs. My carbs are very low on purpose.

Final and last Edit; Cycle complete!
I've added a picture of my current physique.
I have stopped this cycle a little early, but I'm doing it because I surpassed and blew through my goals for this phase. I'm happy with my results. One reason I am stopping here is because I am doing a huge bulker in 45 days. I'm taking the next 45 days to get bloods back to perfect, then I'll be doing a huge mass gain/off season phase for next year, I'll be doing a big show that I need a lot more lean tissue for. It's a pro qualifier. Right now, my bloods are barely off (just cholesterol LDL and HDL). So that's why it's just 45 days, as I know I'll get bloods back to perfect before the 45 days are done. For this 45 day cruise, I'll be doing 200 test/wk and s23 at 30mg/day.

Thanks everyone for watching my "recomp." Let me know what ya think of my physique. I welcome all insight and criticism.

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Makwa's picture

Really impressed on what you were able to do in this stage of the game. Dense and mature muscle fibers really stand out. Looks like you nailed the diet for this recomp. That DHB is amazing. I pretty much use it in every cycle I run now. I get a much better look from it than anything else and have also gained the most lean tissue while using it.

Looks like a big bullk phase coming up next. DHB is the compound to do it. Going to have to watch insulin sensitivity. Running IGF is going to be pretty much mandatory. May not have to do any carb cycling if using IGF. That will really help with insulin sensitivity and is going to be needed for hyperplasia to build some additional muscle fibers since you are already at the top of your game. Top it off with a good chunk of HGH. Lets keep in touch during the bulk.

Vegeta2632's picture

Thanks man!! Yeah, I'm an avid believer in DHB, it's a pretty amazing compound, especially considering it doesn't mess with my blood work too much. What was your experience with it doing it in an all out bulk? Have you done that with it yet?
For the IGF, I was thinking the same thing about the carbs, which is why I will probably go very high with carbs. I don't know about doing carb cycling, but I will definitely feel it out, and I have a plan for it. I take great care of my insulin sensitivity, the moment I suspect it is fleeting, I correct it right away.

Appreciate the comments and the insight man, will definitely keep in touch during this next phase.

Makwa's picture

Probably my best bulker was running DHB/EQ and IGF. I was using LR3 but would like to try it again with the infrajet or Insubolic instead of the LR3 this go around. Contemplating if I want to run a DHB/EQ or DHB/NPP for next bulk this fall/winter. Had such a good bulk with the EQ but I haven't ran DHB with NPP yet so I am kind of itching to try that combo out.

Vegeta2632's picture

I wish I got good effects from EQ, but just never have. In a little over a month I will be kicking off the test DHB, Deca, with NPP Kickstart, pretty excited. I don't know when you're planning this next blast, but it would be cool to run pretty much the same cycle back to back and logging it, and seeing what differences and similarities we get. Mine will be geared for more all out mass, since I will be pounding the calories. I will be treating the gains like my life depends on it lol

Makwa's picture

I have another month or so on current cycle then will be taking a couple months off before starting my bulk. I would like to use deca in place of NPP but I just retain to much water with it and it skyrockets my BP.

Vegeta2632's picture

That's crazy it sky rockets BP and EQ doesn't effect you that way. Wild how everyone is so different

Makwa's picture

Just some anxiety from EQ but BP stays fine.

Bulkdaddy's picture

You’re a beast bro! Looking good and love the cycle… They’re similar to mine accept I run EQ instead of primo and spend a little more on gh and run it 10Ius…

Vegeta2632's picture

Thanks bro. For this cycle, I ended up stopping that cycle 6 weeks in and started an altered version of it. And ya I'm currently waiting on a whole lot of hgh. I will have it at 10iu per day Ed in 45 days when I start new bulking cycle
And man, I just hate EQ cause it does nothing for me. It always just gave me bad anxiety and no gains. It doesn't even make me hungry. So for me it's just not worth it. Now DHB is awesome.

press1's picture

You look Bloody Awesome in both pictures mate - Both Pre and post cycle!!!

Vegeta2632's picture

Thanks press. I was pretty un motivated the last few years and didn't do much, so I was lucky to hold on to the bit of the muscle I had over that time. I'm just glad I was able to get it all back plus some! Now to chill for a little while so I can push my body harder soon :-)

Jrihard89's picture

absolutely bonkers man!

Vegeta2632's picture

I appreciate that man thank you. I worked my balls off. No pun intended ----

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COMPLETE
Let me know what ya think. The update is above in the bottom part of the description.
Thanks guys

@Ghost @HanginLow @Makwa @Rustyhooker

Rustyhooker's picture

Leaner and vascular for sure! Loud applause!! Aiming for 20 rock solid?

Vegeta2632's picture

Thanks brother, appreciate it!
Yes, 20+ lbs. I'm incredibly optimistic, so I don't want to set the bar at 20, I say 20 plus because I'm not going to limit myself, I definitely want to gain as much lean tissue for next year as possible. I am far past my genetic limit, so of course this is logically impossible, but I have some new tricks up my sleeve to pull it off, so I'm setting the bar high! And I've also seen people pull this off and real life, so I really don't like saying it's impossible!

Rustyhooker's picture

Might run a post in the adv group. Pro tag has done it and hes large as well. You monsters keep me focused...thank you

Vegeta2632's picture

What do you mean? And who is pro tag? Tag me in it if you can.

And hell ya man, the monsters motivate me too!

HanginLow's picture

that a dense ass physique right there, some hard earned muscle brother

Vegeta2632's picture

Thanks bro. I got the bug bad now. Now I gotta try and do the impossible and gain 20-40lbs of tissue in a year LOL.
Gonna have to embrace being full 24/7 gonna push the calories hard as ever in 45 days. Can't wait!

HanginLow's picture

Can't wait to follow your journey man you know exactly what you need to do and I think with the inclusion of igf-1 and GH your goals might not seem as unreachable as you think.

What's your diet look like are you following a carb cycle? Same as below?

Vegeta2632's picture

Yeah man I'm really hoping that's right, I'm stoked for the IGF-1 and GH, I think it's possible! And thanks for following man I appreciate it.

My diet will be structured the same as now, which is 6 meals a day (7 if you count one 50g shake after workouts), except the only difference will be that I will increase carbs quite drastically. For this recomp, I was averaging 100 to 150 carbs per day. I will have probably upwards of 1,000 carbs per day for the blast. I will need lots of carbs for the IGF-1 and for just gaining muscle tissue, carbs help so much. So parts of my thinking when I did this recomp was that I wanted to prime my body for the bulk by making my body extremely sensitive to carbs by only eating 100 carbs per day which I have been following now for a while. I know my insulin sensitivity is wildly sensitive right now, and I'm going to keep it that way for the next 45 days, so when the blast comes and I change my carbs to really high, my body will kick into high gear and slap some clay on my frame. So that's the basic rundown of my diet now, and what it will look like later.

HanginLow's picture

Absolutely brother with the amount of tissue you have you could definitely handle 1g carbs, you might need to figure out a rotation based on training output or lagging body parts to maintain that sensitivity. I was able to get up to 900c 3x per week at my peak last blast maintaining good composition. Pushing more high carb days started escalation fasted glucose beyond my acceptable range and also just the task man. 400g of cooked rice a time, half a box of cereal post workout lol not many know what that's like I had to incorporate GHRP6 in the beginning just to get the food down and I was nauseous every high day for about 3 weeks and then it started clicking. Anyway just spit ballin here you obviously know what you are doing, and have a serious metabolism I'm sure, will be tuning in as said.

Vegeta2632's picture

Oh ya, definitely, I have a basic foundation of how I will do it. I also use glucose disposal agents and insulin intermittently to help pancreas, my blood sugar, and carb assimilation, and it's all based around my meals and training. And yeah I will be going upwards of a 1k g of carbs, but will slowly ramp up, especially as I increase IGF and HGH.
I usually incorporate a little GHRP6 every now and then when I need help eating, but I find that if I stay eating consistently (never messing a meal) My appetite stays pretty good, even if I have to force feed a little. Once I start not eating my whole meals or skipping a meal, I completely fall off and screw myself. So consistency is key for me, well everyone obviously. There was a time a while back when I was using MK-677, but that got old real quick, insulin resistance happens in a matter of a week or two and it hits you hard. I despise that compound. I keep track of my blood glucose pretty closely, that's why I'm pretty conscious about it with the glucose disposal agents and whatnot, I know once it becomes out of control, my progress will slow considerably, and I can't have that!

HanginLow's picture

Absolutely man you have a physique that speaks for itself, you have walked the walk, that was my first run using some taboo and higher carb diet models, I think I need some more tissue to be able to handle that carb load for more than 3 days because I felt like I was chasing my BG with taboo, to me a sign I was over doing it a little but hey you live you learn, I am going to PM you some questions if you dont mind on how to keep digestion and appetite going through weeks of 1k carbs. Because honestly thats what I found to be the biggest hinderance.

MK did the same for me, anyone who checks premeal and fasted BG will see the hit MK has immediately. It does make me ravenous, but I found GHRP6 better for control.

Vegeta2632's picture

Agreed on the ghrp6. Ya man pm me anytime!

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UPDATE
6 weeks into the cycle, I changed compound due to primo making me shed hair a little too much. (I have perfect hair genetics, and have never shed before).

The edited cycle looks like this:
Test 700mg/wk
DHB 560mg/wk, 80mg/d
Mast p 350mg/wk, 50mg/day

As soon as I stopped and started this new edited cycle, my hair shedding stopped. Also I will not include the tren ace and winny at the tail end of the cycle because I don't need it, as I'm getting really lean, and this DHB is giving me tren like effects.

Also I must note that very early on I increase my calories to 4,900. 60% protein 20% fat 20% carbs. My carbs are very low on purpose.

Currently I have gained a lot of strength. And I have gained 15lbs of pure tissue and have lost 13lbs of fat.
I am not holding any water.

So all in all, cycle isn't exactly what I planned, but it's turning out better than planned. I have gained a lot more muscle tissue than I planned for, and having my calories and macros really are is really turned out for the best. I am not having any side effects, sex drive and boners are great, blood pressure is perfect, and everything has been great. This DHB is amazing. I kinda hate EQ, But this just feels like it's Primo on steroids lol.

I will do another update soon. I expect to gain a lot more muscle tissue before the cycle is over.

Rustyhooker's picture

Did you try dht shampoo or just flat switch?

Vegeta2632's picture

Just switched. I've never had anything happen to hair so I don't have anything on hand for hair. Besides minoxidil shampoo that I never use.

JFit253's picture

I have noticed the same with hair and Primo at a higher dose. However, I have found higher dosed Mast is far worse for me.

How is running Test high with DHB working for you? Ive heard DHB is a huge receptor hog and could impact Test this way. Ai use needed? Any extra water retention when switching to DHB?