-2 Im gonna get flamed - 6 month LoJ Bulk Blast!
Finishing up my cut blast, great results, and bloods came back today absolutely perfect, so on 700test/700tren/350mast/50epistane ED/2iu GH ED/50mcg T3 ED/60mcg IGF1 EOD I've been doing all my ancillaries right. Estro, prolactin, RBC, Liver everything PERFECTTTT.
Going to come out of this probably 200lbs 8%bf, I'm 200lbs just under 9%bf now and still have 4 weeks to go, but I want to come off the t3 for the last two weeks and thats where the flux may happen (right in time for EBC even :D)
But now, because I want to see if my feelings about eroids will be true, I want to post what my 6 month (yes, 6 MONTHS) bulk blast will turn out.
background that is loved so much
I have been "on" oils since march. 4 bloods, all perfect and not far off from baselines for the ones that need to stay where they need to stay. started with test 500, then test 500 tren 525, then cruised at test 250 for a bit, then test/tren/mast/tbol for a couple weeks, dropped the tbol because i felt sick on it. walked test to 700, tren to 700, kept mast at 350, and added in 50ed of epistane for EBC and that little bit of water that im putting on from adding 2iu hyges. I have ran many oral only in the past and always come back normal with no pct. Plus, I want to compete pro so I am going a heavier route then ya'll suggest, but I do have guidance form some world renounced pro coaches that I trust.
I wont list these in the chart, but i have on hand asin/adex/nolva/caber (i understand long term caber in high doses can cause heart issues, I keep that checked often even though it doesnt run in my family. however addiction does and prami is a VERY addictive drug).
So 200lbs now. Was going to compete at begining of 2014 at 198 light heavyweight. BUUUT, that had to be delayed, so now i get to grow the fuck up and compete at 225 heavy weight. Or superheavy if this all goes well.
AND YES, I FULLY UNDERSTAND INSULIN AND WHAT IT CAN DO AND HAVE PEAK TIMES AND MEALS AND TIMING ALL SAVED, READ, REREAD, AND MEMORIZED. Insulin is SAFE if you arent a ratard.
| Time Period | Test | Tren/Mast | Deca | Eq | GH | Insulin | GHRP-6 & CJC no DAC | T4 | dbol |
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| Sept 1-Sept 28 | 375 | 1g/700mg | 4-6iu PWO M-T-T-F | 100mcg Wake Up and Before Bed | 100mcg Wake Up | ||||
| Sept 29-Oct 26 | 500 | 500 | 8iu PWO M-T-T-F | 5-10iu preworkout M-T-T-F | 100mcg Wake Up and Before Bed | 100mcg Wake Up | 50mg ED | ||
| Oct 27-Nov 30 | 750 | 500 | 8iu PWO M-T-T-F | 100mcg Wake Up and Before Bed | 100mcg Wake Up | ||||
| Dec 1-Jan 4 | 750 | 500 | 8iu PWO M-T-T-F | 5-10iu before breakfast and 10iu preworkout M-T-T-F | 100mcg Wake Up and Before Bed | 100mcg Wake Up | 50mg ED | ||
| Jan 5-Feb 1 | 750 | 750 | 600 | 8iu PWO M-T-T-F | 100mcg Wake Up and Before Bed | 100mcg Wake Up | |||
| Feb 2-Mar 1 | 500 | 750 | 600 | 8iu PWO M-T-T-F | 10iu before breakfast and 10iu preworkout M-T-T-F | 100mcg Wake Up and Before Bed | 100mcg Wake Up | 50mg ED | |
| Mar 2 (long cruise) | 250 | 600 |
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way too much way too soon... at your weight and cycle experience, using slin is totally pointless you can gain an incredible amount of weight with just test e 500 and an oral and gh if you insist. you would pack on weight like nothing else if you eat right. running a gram of deca after you have been "on" for 6 months is a bad idea. you know how hard deca is to recover from? oh and dont take nolva for estro sides while on 19-nor. need to do more research and start smaller. trust me bro!!! i did the same exact thing as you and i regret it very very much. i start running oils felt great gaining like fucking crazy and stayed on for 7 months running a bunch of compounds. now im gonna be on trt for life. it fucking sucks being 25 and having to take hormones because you fucked yours up. you will see wayyy better gains if you run proper cycles 12 weeks on +pct and take time off. i thought i was in the clear because of blood work etc. blood work doesnt show that your testes are totally fucking shut down from running stupid amounts of tren and npp/deca.
PM me bro. most of us have goals to be a pro and compete here homie. but that doesnt mean you should throw 6 compounds in at 3 grams for months. you realize how long pros have been running gear? 12-15,20,25 years man!! they have wayyy more andrgoenic receptors. there bodies have adaped to huge amounts of gear.
you know if you run all that shit now your going to get to 215 and HAVE to run slin gh and 2 grams just to gain 2-3 pounds. when you can run test mast and an oral for the next 5 cycles and put on 35 pounds the right way. your turining to drugs too much food makes you grow. not drugs. if you weight 200 and want to be a pro BBer your not eating enough. double your food intake. literally.
BigBmajI second this! I just started eating really seriously about 3 weeks ago and the change is huge. I was eating about 4500 calories and 220 protein before. Now it's at least 400 protein and between 47-5500 calories depending on how I'm feeling. (I had to drop total calories because i was gaining body fat too quickly with 6500). The food is blowing the drugs away - everyone is asking me what the hell I'm taking these days. And it's the food. I'm actually taking fewer drugs than in the past
I had read this 10,000 times in the past and I always thought I was eating a lot. But if you aren't growing - you aren't eating enough. No drug can fix that equation although they can shift it in a favorable direction. Sure you can gain some water bloat and look a little bigger but the weight doesn't stick.
Good luck.
safetyfirst21I like this. +1
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absolutely bro. i will give you any guidance i can. safety is a good guy to talk to as well. i just have been in your shoes before. i know its easy with all these amzing compouinds right here. but go slow and you will have years and years and years of solid growth ahead of you. i know you can grow on just test e and an oral depending on age 2-4 iu of growth you willl blow up lean homie. pm me and i will give you all the guidance i can whether it be cycle advice or diet. lets work something out and then you throw it back up on the cycle logs and try this again! glad you FRed me good your seeking help man.
safetyfirst21Jesus Christ dude. What do you want from us here? You first start in March, now you're gonna run 2-3g a week for 6 months plus HGH, slin, t3, and other shit. You're moving way too fast. Post your blood work for us to have a look at. I still won't "approve" but it would sure be nice to see.
your123manNot really asking for much from y'all here. Its 1-a place for me to post in chart form to make it easier for me to read and 2-to show what I'm doing and my progress so people dont think I'm some robot running my mouth on comments. I know its not looked upon positive to blast and cruise here. Nor is a long ass blast looked upon positive. I'll get bloods up sometime this week or next weekend if it gets too busy with work.
I appreciate your concern and some is warranted, but this doesn't even hold a pole to what npc competitors run.
Shit go look at bostin loyd.
safetyfirst21Can you post what you'll be using for estro and prolactin in a reply to my comment. Pro's do a lot more, yes. Pro's do crazy doses, for crazy lengths. Pro's also have the muscle mass, with the adequate amount of androgen receptors, to handle "most" of their gear...Pro's. What really catches my eye with this is your age, size, and cycle history. You can't post something like this and not get criticism. You're going to do it anyway...so lets get everything perfect.
your123manI expected criticism haha. I got it for a simple test/tren/mast/t3 post here too.
Caber is .5eod to .5e3d. Depends on how prolactin is responding. .5e3d did good for most of my tren use.
Asin will be 12.5 e3d to start. If estro starts to rise too much, eod, then ed. I cant imagine it getting too out of control, but if it does i can go up to 25ed. And if it gets really bad, ill put in mast at 350/week before i do 25asin ed.
Nolva is on hand for 20mg eod if i flare until it goes down. I had a flare with tren at 700 when i took a week off caber, caber .5eod and 20mg nolva eod for a week made it disappear.
Adex is a last resort. Water weight is welcomed, so ai use is simply to keep estro in check.
All ai's/caber/nolva are pharma grade btw, not ugl.
safetyfirst21Aromasin should be dosed at ed or eod, around a 27/28 hour half life. Once you hit 1g plus, you'll likely need a hefty dose, with or without Masteron. How often are you going to get bloods? Will you assess your thyroid levels before throwing in the t4 with the HGH. Have you ever gone as high as 8iu? Are you going to split your doses? Nolva can help and worsen prolactin gyno. Nolva can increase prolactin levels, but it will bind to the estrogen receptors, preventing breast tissue formation.
your123manI plan to play it by ear but I most likely will have to eod the asin. Though when I started 500mg test and adex e3d, I started getting low E sides. I literally ran 6 weeks of test e @ 500mg and dbol at 25mg for 3 of those weeks with 0 estrogen problems. and NO rebound at all after those 6 weeks with no AI's. Prolactin seems to be a MUCH larger issue for me than estrogen. I have 180x 25mg asin PHARMA tabs on hand tho just in case. and AMPLE masteron prop too.
I have been lax with bloods only because I have had 0 issues. I got a baseline of bloods before I even touched AAS that I have used my last 3 tests to compare against. 2nd test was after 500mg test with dbol kickstart, next was after a cruise on 125mg test for 4 weeks due to a vacation to see if I leveled back out normal. and the most recent was now, while on 600mg test/700mg tren/350mg mast/2iu gh/50mg ed epistane.
Yes, I will be off of all thyroid for 7 weeks before putting t4 in. The t4/dbol is to act as a bridge every other month that I take off of slin, to avoid insulin resistance and repair the damage that GH causes to the thyroid conversion process of t3 already. You seem like the most intelligent person to respond to any of this, if you havent read the effects of gh on exogenous t4 to t3 conversion its quite interesting. That combined with the igf increase of an oral and overall well being I get from dbol will help during those month breaks.
No I have not gone to 8iu's with gh. I could do 4.5iu ED for almost the same GH in a week, but reading more on natural Gh recovery (pct if you will) between an ED and a split protocol (5/2 or even m/w/f) and the difference in actual muscle growth benefits suggests that split is leaps and bounds better, where as ED dosing is leaps and bounds better for fat loss.
No I will not split my doses. for mon/tues/thurs/fri (training days), the plan is wake up, ghrp/ghrh, wait 1hr, humulin-r (at whatever dose I'm at) with meal consisting of 9g fats/115g carbs (split between complex and simple)/60g protein (half whey isolate, half egg white). 45min later be at gym. Have a glucose drink at gym, idk how much yet will be needed, just have to play it by feel. I only spend about 45-60min training. Immediately after, 8iu gh and post workout shake (3g fats/145g carbs/56g protein). This will be in the timeframe of humulin-r's peak. About an 90min later, a whole foods, good meal. By the time i'm done eating, the r's duration will be over.
From my experience, not overdosing ED on nolva when prolactin has flared bad, it has only helped my flare with caber. I havent seen it worsen it yet, but I know it's possible.
safetyfirst21Most open I'd say. Do you plan to run bloods while on cycle? Help dial in all the ancillaries better? You can use GHRP's on your days off of HGH to help keep levels up, while staying semi natural. After your cycle as well. I'll be interested in hearing how you handle 8iu at once for so long. Are you gong to be monitoring your glucose levels? Always be prepared with the slin. It could "technically" remain active for close to 8 hours, unlikely, but possible. How many grams of dextrose per iu are you planning? The glucose monitor will help you to dial in how much you really NEED. 10g per is the fail safe, but the required dose is 5-7.something grams of fast acting carbs per. According to medical research that is.
your123manYes, bloods I'm aiming for every month (4 weeks). I plan on testing the brown vs green hyges @8iu for a source here to show that they are the same thing (everyone seems to only test the 100iu kits), So that will hinder my testing a little bit, but hopefully once a month. And GHRP/GHGH is planned ED in the morning and night @ saturation dose throughout the entire blast. Ya, the 8iu thing is going to be an experiment for sure, If I have to split or down grade it i will. it will easily be 10+g per iu, I'm not too worried about going hypo with my preworkout meal, intraworkout, and post workout nutrition. and yes, I have a onetouch to make sure everything is g2g
So you have been on oils since March? Was this March the first time you ran an injectable AAS? If I'm reading this right, you started using oils 6 months ago and have basically run 4 cycles since then?
your123manYes, Yes, and reading right, and "cycles" yes.
Alright man, so take this how you will. Based on what you have done since March and the way you look in that picture I'm guessing your diet is severely lacking. That's not a slam on you. You look good but for the gear you have run, I would expect more mass. IF your diet was right.
I saw you referenced Boston above. That dude had a lot more mass than you and he was under the supervision of some pretty smart guys. Controversial, yes but he knows what he is doing. You would be surprised though...not all NPC competitors are running slin and HGH. My coach just had a client win his IFBB pro card and the dude has never touched slin or HGH.
I'm not trying to talk smack or talk down to you. Think this through man. You are young and have your entire life ahead of you. PM me if you want help with your diet. Play it safe buddy.
your123manWell i started in march at 220lbs and 25% body fat. I lied my ass off here to get approval for my first "cycle" because this was my only source. Met people, learned the truth, read the bible, and began following gh15 principals. The truth about this cult, and how to succeed in it.
So fast forward to today, 200lbs 9%bf. So 5 almost 6 months, ive lost 37lbs of body fat, and gained 17lbs of lbm. Idk how my diet is severely lacking, id say i acheived quite a bit that i wanted.
I have good names in the industry who are helping me. Names that if you ask any pro, they either pretend to not know because it can ruin them, or praise you for the truth. I post this here to spread the truth, what it takes in bb, based on the gh15 principals.
If this is true its sad and sounds like a kid.. ugh:/
your123mannope, I'm allowed to vote legally.