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6-03, 205lbs. I want to build more on the foundation I've already set (recomp in a way). I suffered from a back injury almost a year and a half ago where i compressed by l4-l5-s1 pretty bad (I have a curve in my spine that went unchecked as a child). I did a lot of physical therapy and avoided surgery at all costs. I was doing 2x bw deadlifts and almost 2x squats pretty regularly back then, but I dont think I'll ever get there again because of my back without surgery.
Ive played with PH cycles before and generally end up losing almost all of my gains after PCT (even though ive always PCT'd with nolva). I've done a lot of research into PH's and AAS's for the last 3-4 years (mainly PH research) and have a lot of things I'd like to try in the future.
That being said, I am going to go against EVERYTHING about me and do a recommended first timers cycle. I ususally go all out and suffer harsh sides from not taking things slow. I figure now that im going to be actually putting something into my body for 10+ weeks, I'll use tried and true methods from vets instead of hitting myself with a bat to see what happens.
Prior PH cycles:
1x hdrol & tren 6w
3x hdrol 6w
1x sdrol & max lmg 6w
Critique is welcome! (work in progress until i start)
UPDATE 13-3-2013 (thanks alloneword): I added clomid in there but will be tapering it quick after the first week. The reason being the ENDLESS write ups on eye problems with continued use and LH insensitivity at longer than 1 week at 100mg. I have only ever used Nolva to PCT off anything with no issues, so it will be interesting to see where both get me.
UPDATE 14-3-2013: I dont know why I had dbol at 6 weeks, but I would like to run it for the first cycle. I'm pretty set at keeping clomid where it is (vision problems are a big issue for me, even if temporary). Extended test to 12 weeks.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | dbol | Arimidex | HCG | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 30mg | .5mg E3D | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 30mg | .5mg E3D | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 30mg | .5mg E3D | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 30mg | .5mg E3D | |||
| 5 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 6 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 7 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 8 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 9 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 10 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 11 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 12 | 500mg | .5mg E3D | 500iu | |||
| 13 | .5mg E3D | 500iu | ||||
| 14 | .5mg E3D | 500iu | ||||
| 15 | 40mg | 100mg | ||||
| 16 | 40mg | 50mg | ||||
| 17 | 20mg | 25mg | ||||
| 18 | 20mg | 25mg |
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i just finished my first cycle of test e and i agree with strongman 12 weeks for test. it went against what everyone says and ran d-bol. i used 40 mg per day split into 3 doses. i planned on running it for 4 weeks but ended up doing 5. i wouldnt do 6 weeks. the d-bol made me feel like an animal i wont lie. it also made my joints hurt because of all the weights i was lifting. i didnt run arimidex or hcg. i just kept some nolva on hand in case i got the ichy nips. the d-bol did give me the ichy nips once but i didnt take the nolva. i just kept an eye on it to see if it got worse and it went away in a couple days. next week (two weeks after my last pin of test e) i am going to start pct. im going to do clomid for four weeks 100/100/50/50 and nolva for four weeks 40/40/20/20. this is just my experience. you are your own man and need to do plenty of research before you make a decision on putting anything into your body. i researched for 6 months before i was confident enough that i was making an educated decision. i hope this helps
Did you get blood work done during your cycle?
no i didnt. i plan on getting one in a couple months so i know when its safe to start my 2nd cycle.
you need to run the test for 12 wks. with a 10 wk cycle by the time it kicks in you will have just a couple of weeks before coming off. from reading your posts down below you are stuck on using dbol. let me tell you this if you had sides with prohormones then you will have them with the dbol.you have never ran test before so how will you know what is causing the side? dbol should only be ran for 4 wks not six. again this is not ph's we are talking about. your clomid dose is off.
Have you run dbol before? If not, how will you know what's causing your sides? If you have a harsh reaction which will you stop? Pct is missing clomid
your123manI guess a lot of people here run both, I guess it wouldnt hurt right?
and my reasoning for having dbol in there as well was my use of superdrol before, which is harsher and much more toxic from what ive read, and not having any issues with it with max lmg. ive even read people kickstarting that sd over dbol, but wanted to give dbol a try.
"A lot of people here run both?" At some point you'll decide is which is more important, safety or speed. Introducing one compound at a time is the safer protocol. Dbol is not drol therefor you have no experience with dbol. Good luck.
your123manfixed the clomid part, mostly in reference to a research article i found that i posted here
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/why-nolvadex-...
Thank you
Looks good man, pretty much identical to my first cycle except I didn't run HCG and ran Aromasin instead of the Adex. You will enjoy it, just take it slow and let the compounds do their work, will take a few weeks to get rolling, but they will kick in. The dbol CAN give you some pretty intense pumps, if so, just grab you a good taurine supplement. I know I didn't want to stand or sit when I got lower back pumps off the dbol.
your123manthanks for the input, i hate back pumps, especially after my injury last year! ive used adex before with no issues so i didnt want to change that.
sounds good bro. good luck with the cycle...im eagerly awaiting starting mine in about 3-4 months...thanks to the ole' job. watch your sodium intake too....will help keep the bloat down
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/pre-cycle-protocol
Read all of the links contained here and revise accordingly.
your123mantheres a couple things i gather from your link:
-lower adex to .25 e3d (i would .25 eod from my prior experience with it on sd/max lmg, but not comfortable with e3d to try to see if i get sides or not)
-add clomid in with pct as well
i am okay with the adex lowering, and i suppose it wouldnt hurt to run clomid as well, but ive read multiple articles before which i cannot link on why to just stick with one. what do you suggest?