+ 1 First Cycle Plan
I'm closing out this cycle, 'cause honestly I would be a liar to leave it in place. I'm one of those people who is just too attracted to the program and went for more. That's no endorsement for shortcuts, and it is not ever meant to be someone else's excuse for getting stupid. Just keeping it real.
The gains on just test were just fine and I support the one compound at a time philosophy.
This cycle ended in a conversion to a completely new cycle, so AI has been pushed out by five weeks. I absolutely will not endorse anyone skipping ancilliaries, even I am not that reckless.
5'10
100kg
BF<16%
Expectations: Dimensions in inches
Neck 17.5 increase to 19.0 + (prior max 18.0)
Chest 47.5 increase to 56.0 + (prior max 54.0)
Arms: 16.75 increase to 19.5 (prior max 18.0)
Waste: decrease to 34.0 (currently 40)
Thigh: 24.0 increase to 29.0 +++ (prior max 29.0)
Calves: 15.0 increase to everything I can get!
Experience: 10 Years natural weight lifting; previous max proportions listed above.
ASS experience, none. Have used SUST250, Test-C 300, and Test-P 100 at TRT levels and body reacted just as I would have hoped for. Time to give it a cycle!
This cycle is strictly for size, size, size, and more size, and in decent proportions. Cutting is of a concern, but weight loss is not so difficult for me as my diet is clean. I would be very interested in advice on getting that waste line down while doing this cycle.
Strength is not a problem, it is not too important to me. Max lifts usually leave me in pain for a while, so I leave them alone but for once a quarter year or less. If I can't bench/deadlift 180kg or squat 260kg then there isn't much point in loading it up for a go and at this point, I can't - and I hate to fail, it is demoralizing.
Doing a short prop kicker because I have been TRT on SUST250 for six weeks. Change from SUST to Test-C left me a little dull, so I pinned 100mg Test-P... just to (a) feel better; and (b) practice a stack. Just being honest!
Only reason the 6-OXO is in there is because I have it on hand. I started using it because I got stupid in December with TRT script and had to back off, then had itchy nips. Under control just fine with 6-OXO but going with Aromisin for cycle.
On date: 15FEB2013
600mg Test-C weekly x 12 weeks
Test-P Taper 100mg eod x 3 weeks
AI Aromisin week 3 through PCT
PCT Nolva.Clomid x 4 weeks
| Week | Test-P | Test-C | 6-OXO | Aromisin | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 100mg e3d | 600mg | 500mg | |||
| 2 | 600mg | 500mg | ||||
| 3 | 600mg | 12.5 mg ed | ||||
| 4 | 600mg | 12.5 mg ed | ||||
| 5 | 600mg | 12.5 mg ed |
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Anonby 300mg m/th, i'm assuming you mean a total of 600/wk.. that's a good number. i would forget the kicker for this cycle and go with a taper only. you're saying this is your first cycle, but you're also saying you've ran prop and cyp at trt dose? if you're on trt, what's the purpose for the pct?
nevertheless, if you've never experienced EOD pinning, i would wait for the next cycle to go with the prop kicker. i'm not opposed to the taper here, but the layout is out of whack.. if you're gonna cycle, you should strive for stable levels with the proper timeframe.
are you currently on trt?
shirlsguyYes, I have taken test-c 300 rather than the SUST 250 to see if that is better on my system (more stable) and I have taken a test-p 100 just to feel a bit better. Correct, I plan 600mg test-c per week.
About the trt -v- pct, that is what is confusing me. I have heard the term TRT rather than PCT but don't really understand. At this point, I figured it better to have PCT on hand than not and I can go with either route. As is, I plan PCT because I kind of engineered my TRT with my GP, there is actually a little life in the nads and I don't want to destroy that. Perhaps I should skip The TRT between cycles? I know already that I will be doing a few cycles.
I'm pretty certain pinning won't be much trouble for me, I kind of get a high off of it. Call me sick, but I actually like that little sting, it feels like progress. Skipping the kicker is fine, however, I would think the SUST to date would have a buildup already. I can edit that out and live with the choice easily enough.
Anonif you're still testing in the normal ranges, even if it is the lower end, i would not consider trt as an option for you yet. the longer you run gear, the longer the HPTA shutdown. the longer the shutdown, the harder the reset, if at all. keep your cycles short and sweet brother. incorporated a proper pct, and give appropriate time between cycles to recover. run blood work to see where you're at, and strive to bring natty levels up. even if you have to supplement with clomid a bit longer.
pct = post cycle therapy. trt = testosterone replacement therapy and no pct. trt is the option taken when natty production is not there or below normal (hypogonadism). this is not the case for you, so i would like to see you do it right and not be forced into trt.
with that being sad, let's save the prop kicker for the next cycle, and let's dial this one down a bit so that you can get the most out of it experience- and gain-wise. Cool?
let's go with something like this: 12 weeks of cyp with prop taper to bring stability leading into a proper pct. and, the right AI for on-cycle and pct.
wk 1-12 test cyp 600 (split)
wk 13-15 test prop 100 EOD
wk 3-15 aromasin 12.5 EOD or 6.25 ED
pct:
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/10/10
aromasion 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
- if you're running 6.25 ED on-cycle, stick with that thru pct, but switch to EOD starting week 3.
recovery: (time on + pct = time off)
5 months rest between first and second cycle. if you've been cruising on sust, i would factor that in as well and take additional time off. your choice, but that's how it should be done.
you don't need hcg on this cycle bro. hcg will convert to estrogen, so if it's ran, AI aspects become more pronounced. cyp will provide more stability than sust will, but let's keep those doses consistent throughout. 600 is a good amount, trust me. if you eat and train right, you will love this cycle. the aromasin is going to actually increase the free testosterone levels because it binds faster and stronger to SHBG, as well as aromatase enzyme, which will allow test to circulate and interact with the receptors rather than the globulin and the enzymes. for pct, aromasin will provide these same benefits, in addition to working synergistically with clomid in terms of gonadatropin synthesis (LH & FSH). the lower doses of nolva here will provide what is needed for recovery, based on the simplicity and duration of this cycle, and help with the pct blues. the higher nolva doses you see in the logs are for you longer, poly-compound cycles.
here's an intro to AI's:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
shirlsguyThis makes sense; it is more like the template I started with, but the HCG was throwing me a lot. Makes sense to skip that extra 4-weeks, it really doubles in time to the second cycle, doesn't it? I'm totally cool with taking out the prop kicker.
I'm going to go with most all of this advice; drop the prop booster, drop the 1000mg weeks, drop the HCG. I beleive I am going to stick with 6.25 on the Aromisin (12.5 ed first two weeks of pc) and also raise the clomid to 100mg ed in first two weeks of pct.)
You know, when I look at the plan, it seems so simple, quite a road map. How does it get so confusing for so many of us?
I began this path like, I imagine, so many you see out here. I went to the doc to get a script, walked out with one for SUST 250, started pinning them like they were free and harmless. I felt so good, I wanted more and ended up here... and I rightly think both luckily and by grace-of-god. In minutes I had some pretty cool people literally pleading with me to get things under control.
F*** me, the more I read, the more dizzy I got... PCT,.. AI... hemocrats... estro.... gyno....the only term I knew was gyno and I certainly did not take that seriously enough.
I subscribed to the belief that I could jab a bunch of test into my system and get stronger like the Hulk and soon would be a raging monster.
I'm really glad I ran into this site, thanks for the time everyone.
Anonand if you are on TRT, do you use Sust as your TRT compound? Cause it says at the bottom of the cycle log "sust 25 bi weekly" so 500 mg of sust as a TRT?
shirlsguyYes, SUST, 250 mg every other week. Prescribed every three weeks, but that feels like crap.
Anonactually, sust was designed for this reason. it was to provide for more infrequent pinning. i prefer cyp tho. i want to give him a better layout, but i want to know his answers first
shirlsguyOkay, adjusted and on. Did not want to clutter your posting in other section, that was awesome. If i had not already sort of pre-loaded with TRT 'experiments' (to avoid using 'dumb-ass' when describing my trials) then I would have done that one, but as is, I have a bit of Test-C 300/ml in me and Test-P 100/ml so this is how I am going to run.
I am going to do as you suggest and skip the 1gram trial, will save that for a second cycle or maybe try another compound.... oh yeah, you better believe I have an excel spreadsheet open and am penning in ideas.
Changing from SUST 250 to Test-C left me a bit dull. Still good, but dull - clearly missing that Prop ester, so I stacked the Test-C today. It just feels better, so I am going to use kicker this week, maybe next week. Just leaving a true and honest look back for me to judge performance by.
What you said about including my TRT as time on... shook me up a bit. That means I am already on! Okay, 600mg Test-C is is for the next 12-weeks. Thanks again.
AnonNo problem bro. Anytime. +1 for having such a good attitude and showing willingness to listen and learn.
shirlsguyI tested low side of normal, quite low. Night sweats pushed me to push my GP for TRT and it made a difference. I still think my nads have enough life that I should really do what I can to protect them so perhaps I need to put TRT on hold while cycling?