+ 1 First cycle advice
I am looking to run my first cycle come September. I have bloods being done this month and next month to make sure everything is looking good before starting. Health is going to be my number one priority with mass building being second.
A little pertinent background info. I am 5ft 10in 174lbs and 37 years old. Over the past 2 years I have lost 100lbs naturally. The last 3 months I have run Reta at 2 mg weekly to get the last 10 lbs or so off. My current TRT dose is 140 Mg weekly and 12.5 enclo MWF. I will be starting HGH next week at 2 IU daily. I run a 4 day UL/UL split with cardio on the other 3 days.
Proposed Cycle info:
500 Mg weekly of test e split into 3 doses.
Reta is going to back down to 1mg a week.
HGH is going to stay at 2 IU daily.
Enclo will be stopped
Full bloods will be done at 6 weeks and 12 weeks. Planned initial run is going to be 12 weeks. If everything looks good on bloods and I am feeling good. I may push to 16 weeks and then cruise on my TRT dose.
I have some arimidex on hand if high E2 symptoms get bad.
So my questions are as follows.
At this dosage would daily pinning be the move instead of MWF?
I was thinking of adding in HCG 250 IU twice weekly to keep the boys active. Should I skip this since it’s my first cycle and I don’t want to be doing 10 different things?
Then there is the big debate of if you are going to do 300 Mg you might as well do 500 Mg. Since it’s my first run should I kick it down to 300 Mg and just see how my body reacts or do you think I should stick with 500 Mg?
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You technically are not a complete beginner if you are on TRT. I would drop the enclo completely on TRT and stick to hCG long-term. hCG is cleaner than enclo with less sides and they are both doing the same thing. I run hCG 1000 ius per week with my TRT dose of 180 mg/week.
Do you have your pre-cycle blood work? What is your E2 ultrasensitive at your current set up?
It will help you gauge your Ai dose of anastrozole split with your injections to avoid high E2 sides most guys will run into. Also you can stay on hCG during the cycle. 1000 iu's is a standard dose. Again drop the encolo IMO.
Splitting your pin to MWF will help lower peaks and troughs from E2 and reduce hematocrit elevation to an extent (mostly driven by exposure aka dose). You could also get away with a lower dose i.e. 375 mg to 400 mg test weekly with good gains as long as diet is on point. Minimum viable dose to achieve results and understand how you body will respond and keep sides management.
I ran a full blood panel prior to starting on a TRT dose. I have another panel being drawn tomorrow after 8 weeks on 140mg test C weekly. Plan to check everything out and adjust dosage if needed to try and be around 1000 total test. Then hangout around there until I am happy with everything on my monthly blood panels.
Once I am satisfied with bloods I will start my blast cycle until I am no longer happy with my blood work or around 20 weeks. Upping the dose if I start stalling in the later weeks.
I think I am going to add in HCG 2 months before I start the blast to see how it affects my E2 and test. Then gauge if it’s worth in to run on the cycle. I already dumped the Enclo and the clinic.
I ran a full blood panel prior to starting on a TRT dose. I have another panel being drawn tomorrow after 8 weeks on 140mg test C weekly. Plan to check everything out and adjust dosage if needed to try and be around 1000 total test. Then hangout around there until I am happy with everything on my monthly blood panels.
Once I am satisfied with bloods I will start my blast cycle until I am no longer happy with my blood work or around 20 weeks. Upping the dose if I start stalling in the later weeks.
I think I am going to add in HCG 2 months before I start the blast to see how it affects my E2 and test. Then gauge if it’s worth in to run on the cycle. I already dumped the Enclo and the clinic.
Good advice down there.
Personally, i dont think you need the hcg. If your balls shrivel up, you can always run it post cycle. I didnt need hcg until... after a few cycles, I dont recall exactly when but it wasnt my first, second or third cycle.
And regarding the test dosage... personally... I dont like to run cycles longer than 12/13 weeks. I platue. I either have to increase my doses or swap in new compounds. If I ran 500mg of test for 12 weeks, id platue. Its up to you but id maybe run 350mg of test and then increase it to 500mg if/,when you plateu.
You can pin everyday but imho, twice a week is fine.
You have ur diet dialed and solid lifting program dialed? If so (and this is just me) I'd go straight to 500 and run it straight thru for 16 or so weeks. As long as blood work returns are good.
If you're truly dialed, you will get one FIRST blast where everything is like magic, massive gains, massive strength increases. No point in pussy-footing around with 300 instead of 500. You put in the work to get lean, so you have earned it.
This is just my opinion, and my friends below also know their shit. Main thing is to make sure you're eating for your intended goal and staying as healthy as possible.
Good luck.
Good advice bud
Thanks man
Luckily from the weight loss my diet and training are fuckin locked in. That is one thing I have going for me off rip.
That is the reason I was thinking starting at 500. Yes I allowed myself to become a fatass but I also put in the work to remedy that issue. So my more vain side was thinking take the first cycle hit it hard and try to get everything i can out of it.
That's exactly the mindset behind it. Make the most of your first go at a high dose of test.
its not exactly vanity. @Khandum is not wrong by suggesting 300 over 500. It's certainly a more reasonable, measured approach. Less likely to run in to estrogen issues or bp issues. Buuuuut it's your first blast.
up to you man. I said my piece. Either way I'm sure you will have a good time.
Thanks for the input. Always nice to hear multiple opinions from people with experience.
More frequent pins is always better from a blood level stability perspective. Whether it’s worth the convenience can be debated.
If you are planning on a blast / cruise instead of doing a pct, then yeah I think starting at 300mg a week is much better then 500mg. This way over time you can milk 300mg of test for awhile before scaling up or adding in other compounds and leaves plenty of room for future growth.
Not only that, but it gives you a chance to see how you will react to the Test at 300mg and its conversion to e2, you yet know or not if you are a high converter or not. Who knows you might get that baseline blood work back, and come to find out your e2 on just enclo and 140mg test is already to high. Your pins would be EOD at the least if not daily especially if you do plan to do 500mg weekly.
Another thing HCG also adds to your e2 conversion as well. Also does it matter if your balls work or not anymore at 37? Do you plan to have kids anytime soon? It's just another variable you have to deal with and that can be a drag.
I just thought about it, one last question. Why take Enclo with Test in the first place?
Ya blast cruise seems to be the move for me. Test prior to TRT was 288 total. Kind of pointless to go back to that level.
As far as the Enclo & test. That is what my clinic prescribed. Which I will be dropping them obviously.
I have no problem pinning daily. It can be a pain in the ass as I travel for work but if there is notable health benefits I will make it happen.
Not really planning to have kids. Just trying to help out with the atrophy.
Sounds like you already have it figured out then, and yeah clinics are pretty fucking stupid.
Welcome to Eroids bro, if you have any other questions later down the road feel free to DM me anytime and I'll try to help.
I appreciate you man.