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Unfortunately, I'm not joking
(Rubs hands jewishly)
3+ years?? I must be taking too much gh lol
I have a whole drawer in the fridge full, not just the 4 pack above ;)
Anyone run the mast p? Just ordered some
Just started it two weeks ago. Will get some labs in two-three weeks, but feeling good on it.
Fire bro
Hey Key. Been on 8iu of your HGH daily pre bed for a while now. Got my igf1 tested and it came back 428. What’s your thoughts on that? Would you say that’s kinda low for that dosage?
Pushing GH higher eventually hits a hard wall of diminishing returns. The liver has a threshold for IGF-1 conversion, and your receptors will saturate. Once you are sitting with an IGF-1 in the 400s, jacking up the IU just buys you insulin resistance and water retention with zero extra tissue growth. There is absolutely no yield on the extra investment. Not saying you have hit your wall, and this is just how I see it.
Hey man what's your E2 sitting at? I've come to find out that after starting my GH journey, I noticed a trend in my IGF1 levels being affected by my E2 standing. When i was running primo and knocking down my E2, my IGF1 levels took a hit as well. The relationship is physiologically well established because estrogen plays an important role in hepatic GH signaling and IGF1 production.
Sensitive E2 test came back at 75. Igf1 was at 428 while using 8iu HGH daily. I use humalog too so idk why the igf1 isn’t higher
Exactly,the higher your estrogen levels, the higher your IGF-1 value will be.
Still pending in my labs. I’ll post here when it comes back. It’s taking some time bc it’s a sensitive test
Bro I feel ya on the wait. I got labs pulled on 5/15. All of the results came in except for E2. It's always the last result to come in but this is by far the longest I have ever waited
Everyone responds differently. The 100 igf per 1IU “standard” is total bro science bullshit. On a deep cut I’ve pulled <200 on 10IU. Then on a bulk pulled 450 on 5IU of the same brand. Countless factors impacting the lab igf score. The GH is still doing its thing though
certainly, because carbohydrates (insulin production) or injectable insulin will lead to higher IGF-1 values
Thanks bro! Yeah I’ve been at 672 before on 8iu but can’t remember if it was keys HGH or not. But this time around it’s much lower on the same iu. But I know other factors can change it like you said
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone pull a bad igf score on keys GH under normal conditions. There’s some ancillaries (like metformin and Nolvadex), fluctuating E2 levels, elevated liver enzymes from orals, etc that all cause your bloodwork igf to be skewed. Hell if your fasted insulin levels on bloodwork start creeping up, which absolutely can happen over time on GH use, it’ll have an inverse effect on your pulled igf score. Elevated hs-crp can impact it too.
@SeeOhShow hey I just got my e2 on cycle it’s 70
I only notice tears during sad movies. Do I have to know the 70 down if I want to get agreed for summer
I run my E2 high deliberately because I do not get side effects from it. Estrogen is heavily anabolic—it upregulates androgen receptors, increases glycogen storage, and directly boosts GH/IGF-1 output. If you aren't getting gyno or blood pressure issues, crushing your E2 is just leaving gains on the table in my opinion.
I’m just wondering if the E2 at 70 is the reason my midsection is holding alittle
I was gona add clen but scared
It is. You aren’t worried about gains when cutting/getting shredded. You’re going for a look and manipulation of e2 helps with that. You won’t lose muscle because your e2 is below a certain threshold.
Here’s me yesterday morning
Fuckin shredded. The pulled up white socks are a fanciful touch as well. #dilfvibes
I workout at home. Idgaf how I look lol
I like to run my e2 higher when bulking and lower when cutting. If you’re cutting for summer, yea I’d get it down. I have found I have a pretty big range of e2 where I feel “fine” but the look is drastically different. Roughly 15-80 is my range between cutting and bulking
Same bro! I feel a hell of a lot better at 80 than 15!
Sounds like a plan , thankyou
Have anyone tried they primo?
Their primo is legit. I've sent a sample of the primo depot 100 to JANO and it was on point.
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