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Looking to see if anyone has any experience with pt 141 or anything to raise libido.

When I started taking test I had massive libido, for the past year it's been basically zero. Nothing in my bloodwork stands out to me that would lower it, e2 in check currently 12. Test 1250ish free 390ish shbc is 20.

Looking into peptides or that HIMS shit, really anything. I can get rockhard no problem but no desire and it taking fucking ages to get off. Extremely frustrating.

Jockstrap's picture

Test 1250?? So on cycle for a year. Way above normal range and here you are. E2 at 12 is a problem too and can cause low libido. You're way under normal there. So you wrecked the system bro...

Mback76's picture

Not on cycle for a year, im on test all year. I've been on a cycle for 3 weeks. Its been a persistent issue for a year tho.

Jockstrap's picture

Ok...so where's the regular bloods to map the issue? Age? Hgh levels etc. E2 and prolactin etc will do this but you're giving no real info.

Mback76's picture

BTW this was after I started this cycle. Had bloods drawn a month prior, only dif is my lipids and thyroid numbers as im on dbol/deca in these bloods tho I doubt any serum from deca is affecting these bloods

Mback76's picture

I gave all that info, in a few places on the thread. Not full results but e2, test, prolactin, sbgc... I'll just post screens

Jockstrap's picture

@Mback76 sorry been nuts busy. Number that sticks out to me is your estrogen that you posted above. The prolactin is in range...low side but not crashed. Crashed will cause Ed to happen oddly enough. I like my e2 up over 25. My joints are happier plus you won't add muscle with it too low. Later on as your juicing skills get up there you can add items in that add definition or mass etc. The bloods are key and will guide you. If you're using an Ai then lower dose and retest in week or two. Some Ai is very strong and some folks don't convert as much so even .25e3d is too strong on adex.

Mback76's picture

10 4, As of my response a few days ago I cut my ai out until my bloods in 10 days unless I get any kind of sides. Adex is what im on atm but have heard of it being too harsh for some. I'll post when I get new bloods

Aggieguy's picture

What is your LH and FSH levels? Have you tried taking some HCG?

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Jockstrap's picture

For a year....no fsh that at all....on cycle is the same

Mback76's picture

LH and FSH are tanked as I stay on test without HCG. I've been snipped and losing ball size wasn't of concern to me. I've got some on hand, never used it as the sports med dr I brought it up to advised me that it wouldn't affect my libido +/- if im staying on test

Aggieguy's picture

I get you want to listen to a doctor but most do not understand the whole concept of blasting and cycles exc. I am think you should try HCG man, your balls shrunk and I get it that you have been snipped but HCG helps the body to produce sperm so as it builds up you become horny and that is your libido. I guarantee if you started using it, you would start to see libido issues go away

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JohnnyHardGuy's picture

Bummer man.
Well it is almost Summer. Why not try some Melanotan 2 peptide.
Get a nice tan and the side effects are random rock hard boners. Take it at bedtime and wake up saluting the flag.
Hope it works out.

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Pandateston's picture

Honestly brother, I’d look hard at the Metoprolol before jumping into PT141 or random libido compounds.

Some beta blockers are notorious for killing libido in some guys. Not always erection quality either … more like:

“everything works… but the desire just isn’t there”

and the delayed orgasm part fits that picture too.

Your hormones honestly don’t look terrible from what you posted: SHBG looks fine, E2 isn’t out of control, test/free test are there

So if this started after being on that medication for a while, I wouldn’t ignore that at all.

And bro… let’s be honest here … if your doctor refuses to even discuss lowering/changing it despite your BP being solid now, maybe it’s time to find another doc.

PT141 can help some guys, sure, but IMO it’s more of a temporary override than fixing the root issue. Plus the sides can be annoying as hell for some people.

Libido is multifactorial though:
meds, dopamine, stress, mental state, relationship dynamics, fatigue, CNS burnout… all play into it.

But from what you wrote, bro !?
Not sure about prolactin levels… though …
Anyways… That beta blocker would be my first suspect.

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Milfpounder's picture

I always thought of pt141 as something just to take for fun every now and again. Like Cialis and Viagra.

I had the same problem as OP at one time, and I dont know how I fixed it honestly. I think once I stopped TRYING to fix it, it got better.

Alot of libido/desire/erection problems start out very small and get absolutely hugely magnified by the male brain. Then what is no longer a physiological issue becomes a purely mental one.

Mback76's picture

You're right, I'm not trying to bandaid the situation. I want to fix it. Mentally I'm solid, almost no stress, marriage is awesome, kids are great. So im certain it's either a meds or hormonal issue. Maybe dopamine is all fucked too, I do have the bs ptsd shit and went through substance abuse for years. I'm 100% sober tho, no every so often drink, nada

I've been trying to get off this shit for a year now. I started taking my BP daily and making a spreadsheet, sending that shit in every month on a whim hoping to be taken off but am just met with the same "see ya at the end of the year". I was put on it for a solid reason, fat alcoholic. Haven't been either of those for quite some time.

Thanks for the response

-Infidel-'s picture

I always love reading your posts

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Nukeproof's picture

Probably your e level?. When mine was as low as yours I felt like shit.

Mback76's picture

That seems to be what most are pointing to. 2 weeks I'll be off the dbol on this cycle. My plan is to stop the 1x week .5 ai when I stop the dbol, get blood after dbol(was going to anyways) and wait if I get tender nips/sides again while finishing the the last 12 weeks of deca/test. Bloods then to see where e2 is at and see if it's back to 60-80 and if I have a sex drive again. Thing is I feel fuckin amazing besides that and I have mid day fatigue but I attribute that to how hard I've been going while lifting/cardio and my iron dropping really low as I pretty much quit redmeat a while back when trying to get bloods in check.

Okfergein's picture

Are you taking any other meds?

Mback76's picture

I take metoprolol from high BP when I was a fatass that my Dr refuses to take me off even tho my BP is 115/70-75 while on cycle. He doesn't know i use gear

Badgoat1's picture

Any of the blood pressure meds can reduce sex drive and cause erectile dysfunction.

Badgoat1's picture

Your e2 is low. When mine was that low i had no sex drive at all. Also are you taking anything to lower shbg 20 is within range but some peoples bodies like it higher. One of those on its own will kill libido but both together can crush it. The low shbg can come from high carb diets, and possibly type 2 diabetes. Metformin would help raise it but also raises pde5 so keep cialis on hand. And get e2 to at least 30 ypu might be like me and never need an AI.

ccpro's picture

E2 low? Did I read this right, op is at 60-80? Far from low. I'll can relate to everything being said here. Cock works just doesn't stay interested, I fake nut with wife all the time because I can't climax or keep hard for very long. I've tried everything, every pill, peptide, pump. At 57 I've very frustrated, brain wants sex but convincing the body is another trick. MT2 is great for a tan but random hard ons all night that just go away didn't work for me, plus the nausea is insane.

Mback76's picture

He was referring to my e2 being 12 at the moment. And when I was 60-80 my libido was off the charts.

ccpro's picture

I realized that later...I'm an idiot!!!

Mback76's picture

Nothing to drop shbg, up until I started this cycle I sit at 200 test, normal daily supps (tudca/ vit d/b, zinc etc) past 4 months diet has been 250g protein, 85 fat, 100 carbs to drop fat. Issue is way older than diet. Ai i started taking .5 arimidex 1x weekly after I got nip sensitive. I plan on continuing with that for 2 more weeks until I'm off the dbol in this cycle. I've started looking into switching to aromasin instead of the arimidex as well. Def 60-80 e2 my drive was insanely high. Just dont want bitch tits.

-Infidel-'s picture

I would get bloods done on your prolactin.

I think porn is overall gross, HOWEVER, have you tried watching it and seeing if you have the same problem? If so, you might just need to spice up your sex life… lick your woman’s ass, that will get her going, and in turn get you going.. just an idea

Edit: I just read your comment about your prolactin, so that theory is out.

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Mback76's picture

Tried porn, tried it all bro. Oh I eat ass.

-Infidel-'s picture

So… something I noticed that skyrockets my libido is part of my TRT script…. Enclomiphene (25 mg)1 tablet PO 2x weekly

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Mback76's picture

Never tried enclomiphene. Never even crossed my mind. I'll have to look into that

-Infidel-'s picture

It makes my orgasms more intense as well. I know it’s that and not the test becuase sometimes I forget to take it and notice a big difference

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Mback76's picture

Yea, I'll look into that. Thank you

Pumped_'s picture

Maybe its your mind telling you to be a switch hitter. One sex stops doing it for you, try the other sex.

Novalentinehere's picture

Estrogen could be too low?

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Mback76's picture

That has crossed my mind as when my e2 was around 60-80 I couldn't get enough. Nips got sensitive so I dropped it. My test has been upped to 500 as of 3 weeks ago as I've started a cycle with deca/dbol.

This bloodwork is 2 weeks old, ending dbol in a couple weeks and will be getting bloods done again right after. Lipids are a little wacky atm but been dealing with this well before any cycle. I feel fucking amazing except this and it's a big this. Shit is starting to bother my wife like she's thinking something is wrong with her.

Full cycle is
500t wk 1-18
20 dbol wk 1
30 dbol wk 2/3
40 dbol wk 4
Deca 150 wk1, 200 wk 2, 250 wk 3-16
Back to cruise 200t
Ai/serms/caber all on hand