Need advice on EQ
So 4 weeks out from my next cycle and im adding EQ to the mix. I've done my home work and prep but here is my problem. I am a high aromatizer even at 150mg of test a week EOD injections at 10% body fat my E2 is around 80 TT 1400 FT 450. My question is how long should i take Aromisin before i should expect the EQ to kick in as far as the E1 covertion suppressing my E2. Obviously i wont take the Aromisin at all if i have no sides but im just trying to be prepare. I run 150mg of test as my base never coming off so no need to worry about PCT and i get full labs every month. Cycle is as follows.
20 weeks
1-20 test e 500mg weekly eod injections
1-20 eq 250mg weekly over two injections
12-20 tren ace 200mg weekly ed injections
1-20 Cialis 10mg daily
1-20 Losartan 50mg
Running Ezetimibe currently and continously
Ancillary on hand (as needed)
Aromisin
Cabergolin
P5P
Hole other host of supplements to minimize negative effects from the cycle.
Currently running 4mg Reta and plan to back that off to 2mg to make feeding the cycle a little easier. Any info anyone has would be awesome thanks in advance!
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If you can't make gains on 250mg EQ you need to stop doing steroids. Honestly 90% of the people giving advice here don't look like they are on steroids judging by the pics posted lmao.
OP: your cycle is more than enough dont listen to the retards telling you shit isn't dosed high enough. They have no clue what a proper workout routine and diet looks like.
Looking at your stats, you can drop the tren. Unpopular opinion: its a niche compound. Only use it when really neccesary. In your case it's not.
Jrihard89Says the dude with 0 photos ever, and no stats.. LOL
Eq will drive e2 into the ground. I run 300 test to 100 eq and run around 30. Everyone is diffrent. 600 test 200 eq feels great for me.
Use the EQ at whatever dosage helps combat the e2 conversion. EQ is a support compound. If your looking to lean bulk I'd toss in Mast as well which will also help you control e2. Maybe something like Test, Mast, EQ and NPP....drop the NPP at week 12 and switch to Tren if your plan is to shed off fat the final weeks. Just remember that for many EQ and Tren will cause anxiety spikes that can be a real pain so just be prepared in case your one of those people.
Thanks! I've done a short stint of tren ace at 140mg a week just to get the feel of it and see how my body would react. Had zero sides however im completely new to the EQ game but thanks for the input!
I start taking p5p a few weeks before I start deca or npp it's not really an on hand thing its a preventative thing
That's a poor cycle. Tren? Kitchen sink?
600eq...400 test. That's all.
That would crash a lot of guys e2. I would never run EQ higher than test as being the only converting hormone. It may work for you but I was totally crashed at 1:1.
Been running eq some 18yrs but what would I know
. That's why I keep pushing blood tests. Make it fit you. Then there's no most in the equation.
Dbol
Always have it on hand along with prop just in case!
I’m running about 2:1 test to eq and my total test is just above 5k and my estrogen is 37. To be fair I’m also taking 25mg proviron daily but I’m still amazed at how well the eq suppressed my e2 levels.
That sounds fun! What are you running test at? I also add in mast or Provi with the 2:1 test eq. Need something to lower shbg always.
I’m running Sus 250 at 175mg per day aka 1225mg per week. Eq at 600mg per week. Provi at 25mg daily.
Question:
What is the benefit of adding Cialis to the cycle? Is it just to increase the pumps in the gym and to mitigate prostate enlargement? Or does it have other benefits as well?
Man I've been taking 10mg every day. The pumps are ridiculous bp impact is minimal for me but anything to help is a plus and like -infidel- said the hardness is a big plus. Never had any issues but its like being 18 again --
Increases blood flow with lower dosages in turn lower BP, and possibly increasing nutrient delivery and workout endurance. Plus it gets you hard when ya need it.
I added it this cycle, i love the gym pumps it gives.
Both. Good cardiovascular benefits in general.
I’m going to disagree with legit everyone here on EQ dosing. I run 300-450mg to keep estro under control. Makes my 750mg test dose feel and look cleaner. I also do around 300mg mast a week for this reason. Also I feel that to get noticeable “gains” from EQ at such a high dose, it’s a pretty shitty compound. Use something else.
I also agree with this. I came here to post the same thing and glad I saw someone else do it. I’m tired of the “don’t run X unless at Y dose or it’s pointless.” Gonna run 400mg bold cyp with 800 test my next bulk. Just for the same reasons you stated. Just supports my main driver, the test.
Let’s see a picture of the people who say these things. I’ve been shit on for running low dose primo as well. Again, I’ll put my physique up against any of them.
Also the folks saying running Reta for a bulk is stupid need to do more research. Low dose Reta + Mots-C for a bulk all day every day.
Jrihard89I guess when I said 250mg is almost pointless of EQ I should have clarified I was meaning 350-400ng a week to polish up test or see the big uptick in endurance. I wasn’t meaning like 600+
But fuck Reta of a bulk. I barely handle .5mg on a cut. I get the shits for a day. NO way I’m gunna bulk while sitting on the toilet for 24 hours Lol
Lol WTF, maybe you're getting bad Reta? I've been taking it for a few months now started at 1mg, now at 2mg/week. It makes it harder for me to shit. Also doing 1mg/week Mots-c. Or maybe its interacting with something else you're taking? I have to take fiber just to shit right.
If anything, Reta on a bulk makes just as much sense as a cut for a multitude of reasons
Bro, fucking exactly.
I want to look like you when I grow up.
Yes drives me crazy people saying low Primo is a waste, then how the hell did I get such good gains on 200mg a week.
... And for you Pete, DHB thats where it's at!
I don’t do over 300mg DHB and I’m very satisfied
What really gets overlooked is just what 200mg a week of test can do.
People are way too concerned with dosages and stuff when their training and diet absolutely suck
Agree
You’re absolutely right. The progress you can make without any gear just by eating well, lifting heavy, and sleeping well is also greatly overlooked.
I will agree with you 100% that is what I cruise at and I still get some gains but I also hit the gym hard continuously.
genetics ;)
Couldn’t agree more with you, Pete.
Even the old-school guys were basically using EQ in that exact role … not really as a “mass builder,” but more as a way to smooth things out in those classic test/EQ/deca bulks.
From what I’ve seen and experienced, EQ really shines more as a support compound than a primary driver of growth. Once you start chasing higher doses just to “feel it,” it kind of loses its point and you’re better off just increasing test slightly or adding something more effective for actual hypertrophy.
Mechanistically too, it’s just not very aggressive in terms of androgenic signaling compared to other options … so it ends up being more of a slow, subtle background effect rather than something that actually moves the needle in a noticeable way.
Personally I’d rather either push test a bit, or keep EQ lower and use that space for something more impactful (or even just improve recovery with GH). There are just cleaner and more efficient ways to get the same or better outcome IMO.
So we're going with Primo = EQ? Doesn't really matter, BP or availabliity aside? Just use it as an AI? Wherever the dosage falls that manages E2. I know I've heard that a handful of times and it makes sense for sure. What about the boys that love EQ? It seems like in his cycle design, that's the purpose of adding in EQ. He just said he is a high aromatizer so that's where the higher dosage suggestions seem to be coming from. That was my thought on my suggestion. I also suggested a higher dose of tren so maybe I'm creating chaos with my two cents
This right here^
Bingo.
20 week cycle saying you want to lean bulk weeks 1-12 then cut weeks 12-20 just sounds like an expensive maintenance/recomp. Imo
Shooting for. Lean bulk/recomp any body fat that was gained.
If you’re looking to bulk I’d drop the Reta, bump the EQ up to 500 and add 4 IU GH. Then after you assess tolerance sprinkle in some Anadrol.
Consensus is more EQ! My thinking with the reta was two fold. I like fighting to get food in vs fight to stop eating. So I was thinking that 2mg would be enough to slightly blunt the appetite of the Eq and force me to selective of my intake and not just go crazy with the food from the eq. Also having the slight increase in metabolic rate from it but now that I think of it with this cycle I guess my metabolic rate will be high enough as is. Thank you for the Info definitely something to think on.
Hell bro there’s 100 ways to skin a cat, as long as you get a nice bald pu$$y! ;-). Plus what works for one doesn’t work for all. That’s why they’re cycles. Track progress, take pictures, make notes about how you feel through the phases.
Then try to change things to improve and repeat!
EQ is good stuff, but definitely like the others said.. no point of even running EQ at 250mg bro. Have you ever ran DHB? I like it better than EQ. The gains, how I feel and how I look was better than EQ in my opinion.
DHB is also one of the most toxic injectables you can take. Something to consider.
That's bullshit
This is just flat out untrue.
You are completely full of shit man! I literally have blood work when I was on DHB and it was not toxic at all. I am not the only one several members here have claimed the same thing.
So reiterating peer reviewed clincal data is being "full of shit"?
Interesting outlook.
If your experience with this compound is more satisfactory than the data I am aware of , then good for you buddy. I wish you well.
Your info is coming from a rat study that was proven to be prejudice as in harsh chemicals were used with the DHB. You keep believing that shit while thousands of body builders use DHB and get very good gains and no sides effects. Again I dont care what a stupid study said, I go by science and my blood work says it's fine.
Says who? A study done on rats? Do you have anything to back that up?
So peer reviewed clinical data is not enough to "back me up"? Ok. Cool