No shade bro, but I honestly don’t understand how any one buying raws and making any appreciable number of vials for resale doesn’t have an HPLC to test those raws. The equipment is neither prohibitively expensive nor difficult to operate. Doubly so for an operation like Ultima.
aside from the investment on equipment (over 100k for anything decent) you have the cost of running it, consumables and maintenance. It's not really cost effective. It would take a LONNG time to pay itself off and honestly isn't worth the headache. 3rd party testing is reliable enough and takes the work load down. As for testing each individual batch, in a perfect world that would be ideal but it's not practical for smaller sources due to the demand. We have to have a relationship of trust, a trust we occasionally test and challenge but trust nonetheless
Yah, fair enough for smaller sources I’d agree it doesn’t make sense. But for someone like Ultima? Come on. I can pick up a used HPLC for like $20k, columns are maybe $500, and solvent is cheap.There’s nothing complicated about testing raw roid powders, especially if you have a clean reference. Moderately reliable jury rigged set up might add $40k to your cost in year 1, and $10k a year after. I’ll admit though bro, I have no idea how much a typical smaller source makes from this gig, and I’m a fair bit certain it ain’t the industry where multi-year capex investments are worth the risk. That said, may not be reasonable to expect every batch to be tested but I’m assuming most of you guys are buying kgs of raws, and I’d be super wary of buying from any source that didn’t test those raws when they bought em, 3rd party or otherwise. My point being an operation the size of Ultima can probably afford the investment they just didn’t give a shit.
Depends on what you consider a batch. An order may come in 1kg distributions of raw powder but the batch may be hundreds of KG. so do you test every single kg that comes in separately or do you test 1 from the same batch of raws within that batch #? If 00001 tested right, then you would expect every package under that batch to be accurate but there's always a chance for the ol switcheroo from the supplier, source, etc.
Pharma manufacturers have solved this problem. Set an appropriate confidence interval and randomly sample from the 1 kg packets. Raw materials acceptance process is not mysterious. An op the size of Ultima knows this, they just actively chose to cut corners.
The problem with Vitamin E is that's its commonly known to be Toxic in high doses - we could do with knowing just how much is in each vial as it could EASILY be a dangerous amount.
I take this supplement myself and am always wary of going over 400iu's per day.
Yes, too much vitamin E can be toxic and harmful, particularly from supplements, not food. High doses exceeding 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) daily can lead to severe side effects, including increased risks of bleeding, hemorrhagic stroke, and, according to some studies, a higher risk of death.
Key Takeaways on Vitamin E Toxicity:
Safe Limits:The NHS suggests that 540 mg (800 IU) or less per day of supplements is unlikely to cause harm. However, Healthline and Clinikally note the maximum recommended upper limit is 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) per day.
Symptoms: Mild symptoms include nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps, and fatigue.
Risks: The most serious danger is blood thinning, which can cause excessive bleeding.
I got an email today from a source that if you bought any of these bad batches through them they would make it right. I didn't buy any though anyone else get an email like that?
Email said these two batches were the ones
Ultima Cyp 250mg
Batch No: MTO09879
Mfg. Date: Jan-2026
Exp. Date: Jan-2031
How odd, I have enan 250 batch MT009772 mfg date 15/06/2025 and exp. Date 14/06/2030. How would this batch also not be bad as it was literally made the same day?
A 5 year shelf life on an injectable is suspect as is. The odds of bacteria forming after 2 years grows with each passing month beyond that. That's not even getting into raw degradation after several years. I will no longer be using Ultima and would advise the same. Sorry Ultima lovers lol....just being honest.
I have that same batch as well. Its bunk. But we have to wait for the resellers to catch up. Its clear as water, and made same day as 2 other batches made with bad raws cause they ran out. So wtf??? How did this batches magically get Test in them
if they only had fake raws that day??? Its kind of obvious to me
A few years ago I could buy Test E without a prescription at the pharmacy across the street. It is produced by a serious pharmaceutical company (e.g. Bayer or similar), so something that undergoes strict quality controls.
At one point, their quality dropped so much that it became unusable even 750 mg / 3 ml I didn’t feel, it did absolutely nothing. I wasn’t the only one; everyone I know who took the same ampoules had the same impression – it simply didn’t work.
This shows that even large, regulated pharmaceutical companies that have to respect rigorous standards can sometimes have shortcomings somewhere in the production chain. I’m not excusing anyone, but that’s simply reality.
It was Europe, and the product was European. I used it from 2000 until around 2018/19 without any doubts or problems. And then when they screwed up within a year, everyone stopped using it.
I worked in food and medicine factories for years. Some of the largest. I’m an automation engineer. Became one a week ago. Before that I was an automation technician. Which means I fixed machinery electrically mechanically and programmed them. I have seen a few recalls and also seen plant of times where things slipped through the cracks and bad product hit the floor. A wire breaks and the conductivity probe is misreading the chemical. Anything ca happen. This is why placed now are required to do third party testing on everything that leaves the factory. And everything they test everything that comes in raw. Maybe they should do the same. We had to reject a load last month because the state security seal was broken on the truck. The milk tested ok but since the seal was broken we didn’t know if it was tampered with.
Question to you as you’re in the industry. I was only a kid but I remember it, it was a huge thing. In the 1980’s there were deaths from Tylenol, specifically cyanide poisoning. The media said that the products were tampered with, but I worked with a guy years later that said potassium cyanide is an ingredient, very small amount. He said there was a malfunctioning piece of equipment in the process which allowed too much of the chemical into the batches. Think there’s any truth to that?
I remember a man put cyanide in Tylenol on purpose. My mom wouldn’t buy it for years after that. Not sure if it was just a local thing or not. But accidents at factories do happen. I remember that and I was 11 years old. Maybe it’s true but I wouldn’t know for sure because I wasn’t there.But I never liked Ultima products anyway.
No shit? That’s wild. Makes sense though, when I was a kid I remember aspirin and other stuff being very respected. Now people eat otc meds like they’re candy. Shit if you needed it from the grandparents I remember a metal tin…
Yeah, same in my family. That was the story, a guy took them from the store, poisoned them, resealed them, then brought them back and put them on n the shelf. Then they recalled certain lot numbers. Even as a kid the story sounded hinky to me…
I think we’d be surprised at what chemicals are used to process many of the things we ingest. America has some pretty fucked up standards regarding what’s allowed in food and otc products…
Well yea, Ultima owes the resellers restitution esp bc of the reputation damage, which is the worst part. Test is cheap to make so it’s not much of a financial loss for Ultima, but testosterone is an absolute vital addition for every single man that takes any anabolics (point is it’s beyond unacceptable and downright dangerous people believing they got test when it’s not), and bunk test (underdosed happens) is truly rare, and it’s unfortunate it happened with such a large scale lab. Despite it not being the sources fault directly and really all the labs fault (what the fuck are they thinking not testing their raw before putting a batch into production), people are definitely gonna stay away. Obviously the sources would have a hard time testing every single batch # they get when it’s on a certain scale, but people like to have a certain assurance that their source is looking out and their in good hands in terms of quality control. Ultima really ass fucked not only themselves but all their resellers. This sucks
You ever notice I never ordered from them again when I got their products. Tried them twice and always thought they were weak. But if you leave a bad review the fan boys will attack you all over the threads and say bloods and prove it by testing it. Then when you do test it they say it’s a fake test and you photoshopped it.
No shade bro, but I honestly don’t understand how any one buying raws and making any appreciable number of vials for resale doesn’t have an HPLC to test those raws. The equipment is neither prohibitively expensive nor difficult to operate. Doubly so for an operation like Ultima.
aside from the investment on equipment (over 100k for anything decent) you have the cost of running it, consumables and maintenance. It's not really cost effective. It would take a LONNG time to pay itself off and honestly isn't worth the headache. 3rd party testing is reliable enough and takes the work load down. As for testing each individual batch, in a perfect world that would be ideal but it's not practical for smaller sources due to the demand. We have to have a relationship of trust, a trust we occasionally test and challenge but trust nonetheless
Yah, fair enough for smaller sources I’d agree it doesn’t make sense. But for someone like Ultima? Come on. I can pick up a used HPLC for like $20k, columns are maybe $500, and solvent is cheap.There’s nothing complicated about testing raw roid powders, especially if you have a clean reference. Moderately reliable jury rigged set up might add $40k to your cost in year 1, and $10k a year after. I’ll admit though bro, I have no idea how much a typical smaller source makes from this gig, and I’m a fair bit certain it ain’t the industry where multi-year capex investments are worth the risk. That said, may not be reasonable to expect every batch to be tested but I’m assuming most of you guys are buying kgs of raws, and I’d be super wary of buying from any source that didn’t test those raws when they bought em, 3rd party or otherwise. My point being an operation the size of Ultima can probably afford the investment they just didn’t give a shit.
(Or if you wanna go full on bathtub science:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967321000492)
Depends on what you consider a batch. An order may come in 1kg distributions of raw powder but the batch may be hundreds of KG. so do you test every single kg that comes in separately or do you test 1 from the same batch of raws within that batch #? If 00001 tested right, then you would expect every package under that batch to be accurate but there's always a chance for the ol switcheroo from the supplier, source, etc.
Pharma manufacturers have solved this problem. Set an appropriate confidence interval and randomly sample from the 1 kg packets. Raw materials acceptance process is not mysterious. An op the size of Ultima knows this, they just actively chose to cut corners.
exactly what we do
Which is why I would be comfortable buying from you sir.
Being on 0 testosterone unknowingly poses risks as well buddy boyo
Mentally and physically.
Hi Buddy,
The problem with Vitamin E is that's its commonly known to be Toxic in high doses - we could do with knowing just how much is in each vial as it could EASILY be a dangerous amount.
I take this supplement myself and am always wary of going over 400iu's per day.
Yes, too much vitamin E can be toxic and harmful, particularly from supplements, not food. High doses exceeding 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) daily can lead to severe side effects, including increased risks of bleeding, hemorrhagic stroke, and, according to some studies, a higher risk of death.
Key Takeaways on Vitamin E Toxicity:
Safe Limits:The NHS suggests that 540 mg (800 IU) or less per day of supplements is unlikely to cause harm. However, Healthline and Clinikally note the maximum recommended upper limit is 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) per day.
Symptoms: Mild symptoms include nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps, and fatigue.
Risks: The most serious danger is blood thinning, which can cause excessive bleeding.
For what they had add vitamine E ?
I was gonna say similar. Correct
yup im apart of this mess too, but hey they could've just said nothing like a million other ugls
Did anyone fall for this scam ? I paid and then the shipment didn’t arrive? Saying I need to pay 300 insurance
Sounds like you went somewhere not legit.
You went to a scam website.
I got an email today from a source that if you bought any of these bad batches through them they would make it right. I didn't buy any though anyone else get an email like that?
Email said these two batches were the ones
Ultima Cyp 250mg
Batch No: MTO09879
Mfg. Date: Jan-2026
Exp. Date: Jan-2031
Ultima Enan 250mg
Batch No: MTO09662
Mfg. Date: 15/06/2025
Exp.Date: 14/06/2030
How odd, I have enan 250 batch MT009772 mfg date 15/06/2025 and exp. Date 14/06/2030. How would this batch also not be bad as it was literally made the same day?
A 5 year shelf life on an injectable is suspect as is. The odds of bacteria forming after 2 years grows with each passing month beyond that. That's not even getting into raw degradation after several years. I will no longer be using Ultima and would advise the same. Sorry Ultima lovers lol....just being honest.
I have that same batch as well. Its bunk. But we have to wait for the resellers to catch up. Its clear as water, and made same day as 2 other batches made with bad raws cause they ran out. So wtf??? How did this batches magically get Test in them
if they only had fake raws that day??? Its kind of obvious to me
I have the same batch but mine isn’t clear and the stoppers dimple inward
Yup I’m of the same thinking, mines also quite clear haha
Ready to to get some tasty Vitamin E??! Its a placebo.....gonna need to make mental Test
rhino82I got a similar email yesterday
E17Just posted another bad batch here: https://www.eroids.com/pics/ultima-pharma-test-c-lab-report-mto09779
Would be nice if Ultima came out and spoke on this
Statement on there website
Where? I’m not seeing it anywhere
https://ultimapharmaceuticals.com/news/dear-ultima-lovers-out-there
There is a testosterone shortage even in the legit pharmaceutical labs also.
A few years ago I could buy Test E without a prescription at the pharmacy across the street. It is produced by a serious pharmaceutical company (e.g. Bayer or similar), so something that undergoes strict quality controls.
At one point, their quality dropped so much that it became unusable even 750 mg / 3 ml I didn’t feel, it did absolutely nothing. I wasn’t the only one; everyone I know who took the same ampoules had the same impression – it simply didn’t work.
This shows that even large, regulated pharmaceutical companies that have to respect rigorous standards can sometimes have shortcomings somewhere in the production chain. I’m not excusing anyone, but that’s simply reality.
Will you say what country? If Mexico or South America I’d easily agree, lots of fakes in pharmacies. Europe not so much. I’m genuinely curious.
It was Europe, and the product was European. I used it from 2000 until around 2018/19 without any doubts or problems. And then when they screwed up within a year, everyone stopped using it.
Bigger does not mean better with sources even “pharma”. Agreed. Also idk what country you’re in but that’s pretty cool
One thing that rarely happens at pharmaceutical companies, but does happen at UG laboratories, is overdose, which is a very desirable outcome
I worked in food and medicine factories for years. Some of the largest. I’m an automation engineer. Became one a week ago. Before that I was an automation technician. Which means I fixed machinery electrically mechanically and programmed them. I have seen a few recalls and also seen plant of times where things slipped through the cracks and bad product hit the floor. A wire breaks and the conductivity probe is misreading the chemical. Anything ca happen. This is why placed now are required to do third party testing on everything that leaves the factory. And everything they test everything that comes in raw. Maybe they should do the same. We had to reject a load last month because the state security seal was broken on the truck. The milk tested ok but since the seal was broken we didn’t know if it was tampered with.
Question to you as you’re in the industry. I was only a kid but I remember it, it was a huge thing. In the 1980’s there were deaths from Tylenol, specifically cyanide poisoning. The media said that the products were tampered with, but I worked with a guy years later that said potassium cyanide is an ingredient, very small amount. He said there was a malfunctioning piece of equipment in the process which allowed too much of the chemical into the batches. Think there’s any truth to that?
I remember a man put cyanide in Tylenol on purpose. My mom wouldn’t buy it for years after that. Not sure if it was just a local thing or not. But accidents at factories do happen. I remember that and I was 11 years old. Maybe it’s true but I wouldn’t know for sure because I wasn’t there.But I never liked Ultima products anyway.
That's where the tamper proof packaging came from. Don't use if seal is broken started because of that.
No shit? That’s wild. Makes sense though, when I was a kid I remember aspirin and other stuff being very respected. Now people eat otc meds like they’re candy. Shit if you needed it from the grandparents I remember a metal tin…
Yeah, same in my family. That was the story, a guy took them from the store, poisoned them, resealed them, then brought them back and put them on n the shelf. Then they recalled certain lot numbers. Even as a kid the story sounded hinky to me…
I normally add cyanide to my EAA's - Are you now saying its bad for me?
It mixes well with the PDMS
Cyanide for crazy pumps!!!
I think we’d be surprised at what chemicals are used to process many of the things we ingest. America has some pretty fucked up standards regarding what’s allowed in food and otc products…
Surgical epoxy has cyanide in it. So if you ever had a bone graft where they didn't use screws.
For anyone unlucky enough to get some of the bad batch from PMroids, they will reship new product if you reach out to their support
I second this. I uploaded a pic of the batch# this morning and they told me a replacement would be sent.
Well yea, Ultima owes the resellers restitution esp bc of the reputation damage, which is the worst part. Test is cheap to make so it’s not much of a financial loss for Ultima, but testosterone is an absolute vital addition for every single man that takes any anabolics (point is it’s beyond unacceptable and downright dangerous people believing they got test when it’s not), and bunk test (underdosed happens) is truly rare, and it’s unfortunate it happened with such a large scale lab. Despite it not being the sources fault directly and really all the labs fault (what the fuck are they thinking not testing their raw before putting a batch into production), people are definitely gonna stay away. Obviously the sources would have a hard time testing every single batch # they get when it’s on a certain scale, but people like to have a certain assurance that their source is looking out and their in good hands in terms of quality control. Ultima really ass fucked not only themselves but all their resellers. This sucks
You ever notice I never ordered from them again when I got their products. Tried them twice and always thought they were weak. But if you leave a bad review the fan boys will attack you all over the threads and say bloods and prove it by testing it. Then when you do test it they say it’s a fake test and you photoshopped it.