I dont let people shit on me. Do you? What you said is true about people. Thats not me. I didnt just rando brag or toss out ego. This guy said hed bet money the Test is G2G and fine, I explained that I was in the ticket process and repeating info FROM vendors. This guys starts mouthing off and insulting me, so I got petty. I know what I am. Anyways...no idea what you mean started at 40. I played sports and lifted since 14. Allot more accolades to boast but, cant be petty again. Good god that would be aweful waiting that long.
Just some good reliable test is all I need in my ass at the moment. All I have left is 1 half bottle of E250 and 2 full ones of Prop. Harsh times. Started the Ultima Short Mix today, the tren is in....hoping Ill get back up soon with more Test. Maybe in a few days Ill need that buttplug.
Well next time I am thinking it may be wise to buy a bunch of test at once then hopefully they are all the same batch and send some off to Jano before using. Can't trust the sources now.
Well shit, I'm booked in for that blood test on Monday 2nd - Was hoping this was going to be a false alarm - Guess atleast now my doctor gets a good crashed baseline testosterone level for me lol...
What the fuck have I been injecting since November?
Don't think I've ever interacted before with you lol, my whole 'involvement' in this was posting in a thread saying I'm running this shit currently and I'm not feeling like anything is wrong, so I booked in for a blood test to help / support finding the truth?
My bad dude....it came off like that. Im pretty upset this happened. With zero motives I came on here to sort it out. Been shit on right and left to the point, I dont need to be here. Ive lurked for years never needed to comment or post. I think its dumb to inject something you cant authenticate. So I do think its retarded to do that.....but you are right, you never said bad thing to me. So Im saying its retarded, not trying to actually call you a retard. Ultima os replacimg the vials so youll be set straight. Just start the process now so you dont go months without being replaced. Thanks for calling me out.
You know what man, fair play for that response I respect someone who admits wrongs. You're good by me.
And you're absolutely right, it isn't the wisest move to inject something into your body without testing it, that's a fault on my part.
In this case I tested the batch of Ultima Test E I received before this one, and it was golden spot on... Unfortunate circumstances / timing as I'd have tested this one but I've been moving recently so funds have been tight, so I just assumed this one would be as good as the last batch and went ahead and started using it anyway.
I've taken off my neg from you and even upvoted ur response, nice to finally interact with you after all that lurking!
To be fair, ultima has spent a long time building up a "decent" reputation as a reliable brand. It certainly isn't your fault that you bought something in good faith, based on a plenty of good history and got burned.
That's fucked that you have been pinning God knows what for a few months.
Thanks man.....The reason why I think its so unsettling on here, is usually we have fske Mast, Var, Primo.....but Test beimg faked by a reputable lab sounds so dumb. But when you find out what occurred, and have some knowledge how businesses run....It makes sense. Last year Raws were scarce, and Test online started diminishing. I saw it too. Ultima had a dry spell on Test. So they got desperate, went elswhere for raws and got burned. Skipping steps all the while.....and why skip? Well of they tested it, and it was bad.....theyed have nothing. So the thinking was to keep the demand alive by doimg anythimg they could to restock. Now that decision came back 10 fold to bite them
in the ass.
WoW I am genuinely Shocked at this - Very bad form on Ultima's part then if they don't Test RAW's before the product is manufactured. I would of thought that would be of upmost importance considering there could be many contaminants that we could be injecting into ourselves. So we are saying that basically up until now they haven't tested their RAW's? Surely they must have an in house Testing facility given the money they must be making, that takes a tiny amount of ANY raw and tests it for accuracy and purity before anything at all is made from it??? I mean they can't just be relying on a random member to raise the alarm by sending a sample off to Jano?
Yeah ultima just told us they NEVER tested any of their raws and thankfully these people didn't get vials of fetty on accident. I've had horrible ultima gear a few times but I never tested any of it so I don't think I ever really posted about it. But I could tell after a few years that my test was either fake/severely underdosed. I don't know why people keep paying big money for these "brand" names. When in reality they are paying extra money for a nice label. These brands don't care about us. They would of denied it till the end of of time if you didn't have that pic. It's funny cuz last week, nobody believed dude when he had this test pic, now ultima admitted it too. They won't start testing raws unless people start d13ing. And that's a sad reality.
Same experience here. Had no proof except my little.pp wouldnt work so I trashed it and went back to trusted tried and true test. This was over a year ago now. Ill go back to my corner now.
This is a misinterpretation. The raws they usually buy are from a 100% trusted factory that provide COA for the raws they sell so the lab don't need to test the raws again at the factory because are already tested. This time, they got some raws from a different factory, a smaller one, and the quantity was sufficient to produce a single batch. Now they are are testing the raws at the factory as well and the final products. You can't keep the quality constant for so long without testing the products, obviously. Now the quality control increased at top level to assure that no product will go out without being dosed according to the label.
They should of worded it better. They probably reworded it by now anyway so it didn't sound as bad. But anyway, you can call it whatever you want. Misinfo yada yada. A well known ugl brand using a new lab and not testing their raws? That just tells you they don't care. It could of been something lethal. With the raw shortage, why would you just take someone's word that they have what they claim they have. Stop trying to redirect it somewhere else. Yes we should test also, but it's very discouraging(especially for a new person. They test their shit and it says it's fake and everybody says they a liar. This is why less people speak out because they get shot down so fast. This should of never happened. This is some DC TOM shit right here.
We have asked them to provide more details for a better understanding. But I have to agree that this should have never happened... there was a quality control issue. But from a mistake like this you can only grow, I think. I mean, we've been assured that this will never happen again because we really don't want to deal with this kind of issues.
But being that ultima is a pretty well known brand and it's sister brand NAK is also and they seem to get most of the ugl sales out of any name brand. They should of already had a quality control in place. Especially when using a. New lab. But let's hope this is a lesson for ALL sources. Do NOT take peoples word, especially with a raw shortage. But I do gotta tip my hat a tiny bit cuz most brands do NOT admit they fucked up, so at least they were man enough to admit it. That Is cool. I will say that. But jeez, let's hope to learn from this. So it never happens again.
They have a quality control in place but when there were no raws and no products, there was glitch in the sense that after months of not having the products in stock, they wanted to provide asap. And it seems that this was the cost. I am telling you that are honest people behind this brand and they immediately took the responsibility and assured to make things right for everyone. We trust them that this will never happen again and better to take all the safety and quality measures with the cost of delays. I must admit that during the products crisis, we were receiving tens of request for Test C and Test E per day and we've made multiple inquiries to them about the products so it was a bit of pressure from the market, to be honest. Of course, this does not justify the situation but is better to have the big picture of events.
And by the way, Nakon Medical is no longer in production for this exact reason. There are no raws. They will start producing again when the raws situation comes back to normal.
And so what now? Will I be reimbursed for the 10 Ultima test e that are in route to me as we speak from you guys? So it be that it’s the same batch of course?
I’ll argue big brands like Ultima, geneza, pharmacom, etc are WAY worse than small domestics. I just don’t trust INT anymore. Too many idiots across the world who just don’t care.
it raises so many questions about quality control. At best, this was rushed due to the current climate. At worst, it exposes the dirty secret that many of these mega UGL brands are not self-regulating. Are the other big brands similarly cutting corners? Have they always?
We always knew responsibility ultimately falls on us to test what we are injecting, but damn, I thought using major brands and higher prices safeguarded some of that...
I would take anything you find on Reddit with a grain of salt. So much fake shit on there. Ultima and Nakon are made by the exact same company and producer. Both are legit and have passed so many lab tests and show blood work indicative of being quality gear. I would believe someone altered a Janoshik test form via photoshop or something to say what they wanted it to say long before I would believe that Ultima is putting out bunk gear. They are one of the biggest names in the UGL game and stand behind their products 100%. Will even pay for you to have their shit tested if you believe it's fake or not good. This seems definitely clickbaity and isn't a fair representation of Ultima at all. Without verified bloodwork, knowing what that person actually sent in to be tested, could have been grape seed oil he refilled it with to try and get a huge order replaced or some shit. Or he could have altered a janoshik form. Either way Janoshik and Ultima are two of the most well known names in the game and I would never believe something I found on reddit that contradicted that.
Too bad for us reddit was finally right as ultima has chimed in themselves stating it as fact. I've got 8 bottles on the way been waiting a month and now they may be from a bad batch!
I am on nobodies side here. But I will say I have had some questionable ultima gear a few times in the past. I have no tests to prove my theory but after using gear for a few years you can tell if your gear is badly underdosed. I'm gonna assume it was just underdosed and was just mad. I doubt ultima would send straight up oil
My ultima test e 250 has the same batch number as that too that got tested for bunk so now i’m worried mine’s bunk too lol i just started using it few days ago so we will see
Depending on the source you got it from, PMroids will pay to have your stuff tested if you believe it's fake or are trying to prove that it could be for a legit reason as with anything they sell on their site. At least that's what I was told by them.
Guess what homie, I have blood work proving Ultima is legit. So you all are going off of ONE person on Reddit that its trash gear. Yet thousands of us have ordered and use Ultima Test and not one other person has said their gear is fake. I find that very ironic, my bloodwork says it's LEGIT gear!
this aged like milk lmao
I honestly dont care though,everyone who is actually long enough in the game knows that all the top "sellers" on this website are actually dropshipping chinese untested dogshit and at premium prices
But i guess some promos are enough to create a group of fanboys to defend blindly
Dude I don't care either, I again have bloodwork on the batches I have been using and mine is not fake. So a batch is bad that they sent out, figures and yes it is disappointing because I expected better from them like testing all raws before they use it and they let the pressure of the market get to them.
I dont let people shit on me. Do you? What you said is true about people. Thats not me. I didnt just rando brag or toss out ego. This guy said hed bet money the Test is G2G and fine, I explained that I was in the ticket process and repeating info FROM vendors. This guys starts mouthing off and insulting me, so I got petty. I know what I am. Anyways...no idea what you mean started at 40. I played sports and lifted since 14. Allot more accolades to boast but, cant be petty again. Good god that would be aweful waiting that long.
Do you want a butt plug now or a pacifier or what? Smack your ass or do whatever you need to do to feel better.
Just some good reliable test is all I need in my ass at the moment. All I have left is 1 half bottle of E250 and 2 full ones of Prop. Harsh times. Started the Ultima Short Mix today, the tren is in....hoping Ill get back up soon with more Test. Maybe in a few days Ill need that buttplug.
Well next time I am thinking it may be wise to buy a bunch of test at once then hopefully they are all the same batch and send some off to Jano before using. Can't trust the sources now.
Well Id be worried if I were you....hes taking a liking to me and seems to
be focus on me now.....Im getting critiques on my look.
Well shit, I'm booked in for that blood test on Monday 2nd - Was hoping this was going to be a false alarm - Guess atleast now my doctor gets a good crashed baseline testosterone level for me lol...
What the fuck have I been injecting since November?
I never injected it because Im not retarded.
Yo? What's with that attitude?
Don't think I've ever interacted before with you lol, my whole 'involvement' in this was posting in a thread saying I'm running this shit currently and I'm not feeling like anything is wrong, so I booked in for a blood test to help / support finding the truth?
My bad dude....it came off like that. Im pretty upset this happened. With zero motives I came on here to sort it out. Been shit on right and left to the point, I dont need to be here. Ive lurked for years never needed to comment or post. I think its dumb to inject something you cant authenticate. So I do think its retarded to do that.....but you are right, you never said bad thing to me. So Im saying its retarded, not trying to actually call you a retard. Ultima os replacimg the vials so youll be set straight. Just start the process now so you dont go months without being replaced. Thanks for calling me out.
You know what man, fair play for that response I respect someone who admits wrongs. You're good by me.
And you're absolutely right, it isn't the wisest move to inject something into your body without testing it, that's a fault on my part.
In this case I tested the batch of Ultima Test E I received before this one, and it was golden spot on... Unfortunate circumstances / timing as I'd have tested this one but I've been moving recently so funds have been tight, so I just assumed this one would be as good as the last batch and went ahead and started using it anyway.
I've taken off my neg from you and even upvoted ur response, nice to finally interact with you after all that lurking!
To be fair, ultima has spent a long time building up a "decent" reputation as a reliable brand. It certainly isn't your fault that you bought something in good faith, based on a plenty of good history and got burned.
That's fucked that you have been pinning God knows what for a few months.
Thanks man.....The reason why I think its so unsettling on here, is usually we have fske Mast, Var, Primo.....but Test beimg faked by a reputable lab sounds so dumb. But when you find out what occurred, and have some knowledge how businesses run....It makes sense. Last year Raws were scarce, and Test online started diminishing. I saw it too. Ultima had a dry spell on Test. So they got desperate, went elswhere for raws and got burned. Skipping steps all the while.....and why skip? Well of they tested it, and it was bad.....theyed have nothing. So the thinking was to keep the demand alive by doimg anythimg they could to restock. Now that decision came back 10 fold to bite them
in the ass.
WoW I am genuinely Shocked at this - Very bad form on Ultima's part then if they don't Test RAW's before the product is manufactured. I would of thought that would be of upmost importance considering there could be many contaminants that we could be injecting into ourselves. So we are saying that basically up until now they haven't tested their RAW's? Surely they must have an in house Testing facility given the money they must be making, that takes a tiny amount of ANY raw and tests it for accuracy and purity before anything at all is made from it??? I mean they can't just be relying on a random member to raise the alarm by sending a sample off to Jano?
Yeah ultima just told us they NEVER tested any of their raws and thankfully these people didn't get vials of fetty on accident. I've had horrible ultima gear a few times but I never tested any of it so I don't think I ever really posted about it. But I could tell after a few years that my test was either fake/severely underdosed. I don't know why people keep paying big money for these "brand" names. When in reality they are paying extra money for a nice label. These brands don't care about us. They would of denied it till the end of of time if you didn't have that pic. It's funny cuz last week, nobody believed dude when he had this test pic, now ultima admitted it too. They won't start testing raws unless people start d13ing. And that's a sad reality.
Same experience here. Had no proof except my little.pp wouldnt work so I trashed it and went back to trusted tried and true test. This was over a year ago now. Ill go back to my corner now.
This is a misinterpretation. The raws they usually buy are from a 100% trusted factory that provide COA for the raws they sell so the lab don't need to test the raws again at the factory because are already tested. This time, they got some raws from a different factory, a smaller one, and the quantity was sufficient to produce a single batch. Now they are are testing the raws at the factory as well and the final products. You can't keep the quality constant for so long without testing the products, obviously. Now the quality control increased at top level to assure that no product will go out without being dosed according to the label.
They should of worded it better. They probably reworded it by now anyway so it didn't sound as bad. But anyway, you can call it whatever you want. Misinfo yada yada. A well known ugl brand using a new lab and not testing their raws? That just tells you they don't care. It could of been something lethal. With the raw shortage, why would you just take someone's word that they have what they claim they have. Stop trying to redirect it somewhere else. Yes we should test also, but it's very discouraging(especially for a new person. They test their shit and it says it's fake and everybody says they a liar. This is why less people speak out because they get shot down so fast. This should of never happened. This is some DC TOM shit right here.
We have asked them to provide more details for a better understanding. But I have to agree that this should have never happened... there was a quality control issue. But from a mistake like this you can only grow, I think. I mean, we've been assured that this will never happen again because we really don't want to deal with this kind of issues.
But being that ultima is a pretty well known brand and it's sister brand NAK is also and they seem to get most of the ugl sales out of any name brand. They should of already had a quality control in place. Especially when using a. New lab. But let's hope this is a lesson for ALL sources. Do NOT take peoples word, especially with a raw shortage. But I do gotta tip my hat a tiny bit cuz most brands do NOT admit they fucked up, so at least they were man enough to admit it. That Is cool. I will say that. But jeez, let's hope to learn from this. So it never happens again.
They have a quality control in place but when there were no raws and no products, there was glitch in the sense that after months of not having the products in stock, they wanted to provide asap. And it seems that this was the cost. I am telling you that are honest people behind this brand and they immediately took the responsibility and assured to make things right for everyone. We trust them that this will never happen again and better to take all the safety and quality measures with the cost of delays. I must admit that during the products crisis, we were receiving tens of request for Test C and Test E per day and we've made multiple inquiries to them about the products so it was a bit of pressure from the market, to be honest. Of course, this does not justify the situation but is better to have the big picture of events.
And by the way, Nakon Medical is no longer in production for this exact reason. There are no raws. They will start producing again when the raws situation comes back to normal.
And so what now? Will I be reimbursed for the 10 Ultima test e that are in route to me as we speak from you guys? So it be that it’s the same batch of course?
Once you get the package, please check the batch number and we'll proceed with a replacement if is the case.
Jrihard89I’ll argue big brands like Ultima, geneza, pharmacom, etc are WAY worse than small domestics. I just don’t trust INT anymore. Too many idiots across the world who just don’t care.
THIS
it raises so many questions about quality control. At best, this was rushed due to the current climate. At worst, it exposes the dirty secret that many of these mega UGL brands are not self-regulating. Are the other big brands similarly cutting corners? Have they always?
We always knew responsibility ultimately falls on us to test what we are injecting, but damn, I thought using major brands and higher prices safeguarded some of that...
Genuinely speechless mate, I think it would of been better not making that statement about not testing RAW's.
Dkoon211That's gonna happen here soon for me.
Semen
Oh, happy days then
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I would take anything you find on Reddit with a grain of salt. So much fake shit on there. Ultima and Nakon are made by the exact same company and producer. Both are legit and have passed so many lab tests and show blood work indicative of being quality gear. I would believe someone altered a Janoshik test form via photoshop or something to say what they wanted it to say long before I would believe that Ultima is putting out bunk gear. They are one of the biggest names in the UGL game and stand behind their products 100%. Will even pay for you to have their shit tested if you believe it's fake or not good. This seems definitely clickbaity and isn't a fair representation of Ultima at all. Without verified bloodwork, knowing what that person actually sent in to be tested, could have been grape seed oil he refilled it with to try and get a huge order replaced or some shit. Or he could have altered a janoshik form. Either way Janoshik and Ultima are two of the most well known names in the game and I would never believe something I found on reddit that contradicted that.
Too bad for us reddit was finally right as ultima has chimed in themselves stating it as fact. I've got 8 bottles on the way been waiting a month and now they may be from a bad batch!
Dkoon211Same here, and I got a feeling that they gonna make us wait the extra 3 weeks for shipment, if they actually resend to everyone.
I am on nobodies side here. But I will say I have had some questionable ultima gear a few times in the past. I have no tests to prove my theory but after using gear for a few years you can tell if your gear is badly underdosed. I'm gonna assume it was just underdosed and was just mad. I doubt ultima would send straight up oil
Dkoon211But they did....
Use alot of ultima , had a 4000 total last time I checked so at least those were good. Worried now...
They'll get replaced if it's the bad batch. I would think a company like Ultima would at least be testing their raws.
Bloods.work don't lie
My ultima test e 250 has the same batch number as that too that got tested for bunk so now i’m worried mine’s bunk too lol i just started using it few days ago so we will see
Dkoon211That means its bad lol. Contact them.
Contact your source you bought it from and they will replace it.
Dude it's 100% bunk discontinue it
I could anally inject ya with more testosterone than one of those vials!
Any day
Depending on the source you got it from, PMroids will pay to have your stuff tested if you believe it's fake or are trying to prove that it could be for a legit reason as with anything they sell on their site. At least that's what I was told by them.
look how all the in promo shills are raging in the comments lmao
What is an "in promo shill"? And im still scrolling to find who is raging? We in the same thread?
Guess what homie, I have blood work proving Ultima is legit. So you all are going off of ONE person on Reddit that its trash gear. Yet thousands of us have ordered and use Ultima Test and not one other person has said their gear is fake. I find that very ironic, my bloodwork says it's LEGIT gear!
this aged like milk lmao
I honestly dont care though,everyone who is actually long enough in the game knows that all the top "sellers" on this website are actually dropshipping chinese untested dogshit and at premium prices
But i guess some promos are enough to create a group of fanboys to defend blindly
Dude I don't care either, I again have bloodwork on the batches I have been using and mine is not fake. So a batch is bad that they sent out, figures and yes it is disappointing because I expected better from them like testing all raws before they use it and they let the pressure of the market get to them.
Dkoon211This comment did not age too well.