+ 3 Heavy Handed OR Fair COP?? Your Opinion ....
I've just been reading all about this woman called Renee Good being Shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis as she refused to get out of her truck when asked to by ICE officers, then she tried to drive off.
The Videos of it seem quite dubious in terms of whether shooting her through the windscreen was really necessary when I'm sure she could of easily been stopped further down the road considering the amount of agents that were there and vehicles present.
On the one hand I was always raised to respect the Police and you do as instructed by them (especially when they have guns pointed at you!) but on the other hand it seems a bit unnecessary that a woman and mother has lost her life over this.
What's your take on this being weapons owners and routinely seeing Cops it seems shooting first and asking questions later?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15450043/renee-nicole-good-ice-...
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Murder.
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Wouldn't it be great if we were united and asking about those epstein files? Or the trillions that just disappear at the pentagon?
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Minnesota has for years allowed the open and concealed carry of a handgun with a license issued after an applicant meets certain criteria, and state regulations do not restrict such individuals from having firearms at protests. The state’s laws are so permissive that licensed firearm owners are even allowed to bring guns into Minnesota’s Capitol building.
He was not interfering with anything. He was filming. They removed his gun then killed him. No spin is going to change that.
I saw dude reach and ice made great shots. Next!
Look, as a red-blooded American patriot who believes in law and order, the Constitution, secure borders, and backing our law enforcement, especially the guys out there enforcing our immigration laws under tough conditions this Alex Pretti incident in Minneapolis hits hard, but we gotta call it straight.
If Pretti wasn't actively getting in the way of those federal ICE and Border Patrol agents doing their sworn duty to enforce federal law and protect our nation from illegal immigration chaos, why did the focus shift right to him? He stepped up and made himself part of the action instead of staying out of it like a law-abiding citizen would. He turned himself into the target.
Break it down: That orange backpack guy gets pushed in the streets. Pretti could've backed off, kept filming from a safe distance, or just walked away. But no, he raises his left hand, steps toward the agent like he's going to intervene. In a freezing street full of tension, with agents dealing with a crowd and a high-stakes operation, that kind of aggression screams imminent threat. Boom—pepper spray deploys to stop it before it turns deadly. Standard protocol to protect themselves and the mission.
Then it goes south fast. Why did it take half a dozen federal officers to try and get him under control? If he'd just complied—hands up, step back, let them do their job—none of this escalates. Instead, he keeps resisting, turning a routine intervention into a full-on fight that puts everyone's life at risk. These agents are making life-or-death calls in real time, no luxury of slow-motion replay, surrounded by a hostile crowd throughout a city that's been a hotbed of anti-law-enforcement nonsense since George Floyd.yes that’s more nonsense.
Pretti's judgment was flat-out terrible. He started as some guy with a camera "documenting," but he crossed the line into interfering with federal operations—making him an unlawful combatant in the moment, not a peaceful observer. He went looking for trouble in the streets of Minneapolis, and trouble found him. The agents' actions? Questionable in spots, sure—maybe things could've de-escalated differently—but in that split-second chaos, with a perceived armed threat (he had a legal carry permit and was reportedly armed), they're gonna err on the side of survival. Charges might get filed for show, political pressure and all that, but conviction? Ain't happening. Self-defense, duty, and the facts will hold up.
Bottom line, patriots: We need strong borders, we need agents fearless enough to do the job, and we need citizens who respect the law instead of playing hero against it. Pretti could've walked away a free man. He chose confrontation, and it ended tragically. Support our guys in blue (and green) keeping America safe—don't become the threat they're forced to stop. God bless the USA, and God bless those putting their lives on the line every day. ----
Nah, any of us that are CPL holders let alone LEO know the rules. This was murder by a federal agent/s. And then to top it off one if these pigs stood in the road and clapped. You are either Loyalist or Patriot and you best decide soon
And its so easy to point and call "MURDERER" until you have to protect your family or your home and have to kill the intruder or criminal. So just remember when your hometown you grew up in and did tons of philanthropy work for turns on YOU and calls you MURDERER! So guys stop this "cold blooded murderer" kind of trash talk from your protected homes.
No spin will change it but he is dead and they go home to their kids so who is the winner and who is the loser no matter how you view it. Ive had a few drug busts happen in an apartment complex when i was younger. I stayed in my apartment and didn't even think of going over there to "take pictures". Who the hell follows law enforcement around to "take pictures". Piss on me and tell me its raining. If im with all my boys and i tell this wierdo get the heck out and stop filming us and he continues to, you best believe all 5 of us are going to tell him our way. Does it mean he should have died? No! But thats why i was taught to leave people alone because you NEVER know if they are unhinged and will kill you or pull a knife or a gun. Dont instigate road rage because you never know if person in the other car is having a bad day and will shoot you dead for giving them the finger. Work and go home to your family.
Yup looks calm and as peaceful as he can be. Calm is not nose to nose with a federal agent while you have a concealed weapon.
So Someone looking and acting like that deserves to be Shot and killed then is what you are saying? The ICE agent doesn't look too threatened or intimidated to me - more he is walking directly towards him
Are you seriously suggesting that was it. This frame demonstrates the professionalism ICE used before he escalated the issue where 6 men tried to retain him and secure an unlawful weapon. (You can't bring a weapon to a protest where tensions are high) He failed to follow orders/instructions.
This wasn't legal passive resistance. This was illegal activism and obstruction. He was one of many and armed. He was a self righteous idiot that played the pawn others in power behind the curtain wanted him to play. This is a play as old as history as you red coats should know from the Boston massacre.
You all think this is about ice, it's not. It's the distraction that lost the brits a nation. And if you all don't wake up it'll cost us ours. Look at Canada, literally breaking up. The EU already had brexit, and is fractured elsewhere. Britton still is fighting for sovereignty and identity same shit there as they're trying to do here. In Davos They said the quiet parts out loud.
You are delusional af. There is nothing anywhere that said that dude couldn’t have a gun on him. You guys keep saying that like he broke some law. He did absolutely nothing to deserve to be killed.
ICE/DHS is not judge, jury, and executioner. There is no statute of limitations on murder. Payback will come.
I'm not saying anyone deserved to be killed. But that "dude" was the only one that 100% could have avoided the shooting. Even in the melee of obstruction and resisting detention/arrest he would not have gotten shot if he wasn't carrying a weapon. He has the right to protest (carry a sign and chant slogans) he doesn't have the right to obstruct law enforcement or disobey lawful orders. If in the process he feels his rights were violated he takes it to court, resisting is not an option.
So you gonna stand there and watch women pushed to the ground and pepper sprayed? I would not and besides that they shot him in the back. Greg, I know you know better
In the melee of hands and close hand to hand contact a pulled weapon is a threat in the split second, who had control of the gun?
"Oh shit! Is that his hand?, Sgt Smith's? Johnson? Fuck!"
Fear was needlessly created. Who had the most ability to control the situation? Who could have stayed home? Who could have kept his gun at home? Who could have stayed safely out of the fray? Who could have respectfully complied with any order given to him?
He deliberately created that situation for a virtual video. He grossly underestimated the danger he put himself in.
So no, you are completely off base. Passive resistance like what MLK learned from Gandhi's example and used during the civil rights era and what the hippies carried on through the Vietnam era and into the 80's is NOTHING like what you see today. ACTIVISM IS NOT peaceful protest.
Comparison of Sat-ya-gra-ha and Modern Activism.
Feature: The View of the Opponent
Gandhi: Seen as a friend who has lost their way; the goal is moral conversion.
Modern: Often seen as an enemy to be defeated or canceled.
Feature: Accountability
Gandhi: Protesters accepted the legal consequences and jail time to show respect for the idea of law itself.
Modern: Often focuses on avoiding arrest or challenging the legitimacy of the legal system entirely.
Feature: Internal Discipline
Gandhi: Required intense spiritual training, fasting, and total suppression of anger.
Modern: Often driven by righteous anger as a primary fuel for momentum.
Feature: Strategy and Transparency
Gandhi: Focused on extreme transparency; Gandhi would often write to the British to tell them exactly when and where he would break the law.
Modern: Often relies on the element of surprise or disruptive tactics to gain media attention.
You are not a moderate voice of reason. You are not exercising critical thinking. I am not excusing the needless killings. But I'm not going to buy into the bullshit narrative.
ICE is operating all across the country. Why is Minnesota different? Why is LA different? Why was Memphis and DC different? Why is Florida different? If ICE were the nazi's or "red coats" the narrative says they are, the whole country would be up in arms. That would require true constitutional violations and if it was that self evident, I'd be in the mix fighting a truly fascist government and not a sideshow the sole purpose being to keep us arguing amongst ourselves.
Yeah, you can mentally justify murder by "trained" federal law enforcement of a disarmed man. Congratulations Greg. You have hit a powerfully sad new low brother. I hope by the time this crosses the rubicon in front of us you have figured out which side of the revolution you need to be on. I will stand with the United States people and our Constitution. Semper Fidelis ...
Why Minnesota? They rank between 10-15 in lowest crime states. Perhaps because trumps revenge tripping? And the Somalia thing, did you notice it went from 100 million, to 1-2 billion, to 6 billion finally to 19 billion? Hint: nobody with the exception of trump could ever get away with that much money lol.
But yes I am not going to bother doing the point by point thing with you. We both can back up our cases and are both skilled at debate.
You missed the point. ICE is everywhere. If this was an unconstitutional deployment of ICE everyone would see it and rebellion would be uniform across the states. That is not the case.
Just like the Guard deployment during the Civil Rights era. There were local isolated pockets of resistance but broad national support. Polling shows the same thing for ICE today.
It is not a constitutional crisis. It is noise from those aligning themselves with the globalist agenda often duped by the guise of racial and humanitarian activism
What? They are not everywhere and they are not marauding down city streets all over the country like they did in Minnesota, Portland, DC, Philly. While now they claim to be doing targeted operations that is not what they were doing. Broad national support? There was broad support for immigration enforcement but not this and you can easily check the polling. Well I suspect you will go down where your MAGA hat with the full belief he is the good guy and that is a tragedy brother. I hope you figure it out but you are a grown man and all I can do is accept your position
You are incorrect.
Sure I am. Anyway I give up Greg, this is your show. I am going back to mine. See you in a few months or so. Stay safe.
It didn't go unnoticed that you couldn't refute anything I said in this post. Your moral equivalency is a logical fallacy.
I haven't done any such thing. I've advocated peaceful protest, not violent activism or rabble rousing rhetoric by you, the media, politicians or state/city governments standing in the way of federal agents following lawful orders. Have an issue? Protest peacefully, take it to court and accept the ruling.
The American people aren't a handful of loud activists. As I've posted elsewhere, the issue isn't ice. It's globalism v sovereignty. They want to destroy our country. Military might can't defeat us but erosion can.
Do you want a constitution, a culturally united people. National identity and self sovereignty? Because that's what I'm standing for.
The alternative is globalism. Run by institutional technocrats:
Look into the policy goals of the WEF's "Great Reset" or how the IMF's loan conditions work. Look at the UN's 2030 Agenda. SERIOUSLY, DO THIS.
The UN explicitly states that the 2030 goals are "voluntary." However, because they are integrated into the financial systems (IMF) and corporate world (WEF), they are compulsory in practice. The EU is an example of this technocratic governance and it is crumbling.
BTW Greg, if you haven't watched The Revolutionary war series by Ken Burns on PBS please watch it. It is great and you will see many parallels to today. Besides how absolutely brutal it was. I think you can also stream it off the PBS app. All of you guys please watch it.
Several Democratic judges back in 2024, I believe, already set a precedent that carrying a gun to a peaceful protest is not protected under the 2nd amendment. It has the potential to create fear, stifle free expression, and is dangerous in an area where there is heightened tension. He went there to confront ICE.
In 2024, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit issued a notable ruling in the case Bianchi v. Brown. While the case specifically centered on upholding Maryland's ban on assault weapons, the court's reasoning touched on the broader scope of the Second Amendment.
The court stated that the Second Amendment does not protect the right to carry arms for "any sort of confrontation." While the ruling did not issue a blanket ban on all guns at protests, it emphasized that the right to bear arms is limited to "law-abiding, responsible citizens" for the purpose of self-defense, rather than for public intimidation or "confrontation."
This decision was seen by many as a way for lower courts to navigate the Supreme Court's 2022 Bruen decision, which requires gun laws to be consistent with historical traditions.
Bullshit, pure and simple
Look it up for yourself. But that would require you to take your horse blinders off.
You are wearing a full on welders mask lol. No blinders here brother. I know you can read and do. One of us doesn't follow wannabe kings, never has and never will. And then there is you.
"Wannabe kings" exposes your trenched in bias right there. Nuf said. You've undermined your credibility. You are lost.
I'm talking about a geopolitical chess game that has been playing out over decades. It doesn't matter who the puppets are playing on the chess board. Two zeitgeists are battling it out. The spirit of globalism and the spirit of self sovereignty.
Amazingly tho you still obviously believe trump is on your side lol. Greg, we The United States of America have basically operated with full hegemony. Our dollar being the universal currency for the world also allowed us to run up huge debt because other countries bought our bonds. Now our entire way of life hangs in the balance Greg. I am not sure if what you call globalism wasn't really United States of Americanism. Regardless, it appears Israel has been in the drivers seat this entire time.
I suspect (again hoping I am wrong) we will attack Iran within the next 48 hours. Bibi and Putin are the two happiest guys on the planet.
Trump is a chess piece being manipulated by one of the zeitgeists playing the game.
Trump is not on "my side".
He has created his own bank and is just as self serving as the banking system he's trying to take down.
There's a monetary reset happening now and ending in 2032. The debt economy is at its end. It mathematically can't be sustained any longer. We are shifting to sound money. Gold will be revalued like FDR did in the '30's, the dollar devalued, national debts restructured, and currency backed by gold, crypto, etc.
The question is, how much financial Sovereignty will you end up with. And, will you be able to hang on to it.
Self reliance, no debt, and hard assets is your play here. It's not about Trump. It's about the game.
You and I have no say on the outcome. We can only anticipate and prepare. So get it out of your head that there are sides other than us and the geopolitical powers at play.
I don't disagree with most of what you said other than timeline and us not being able to do anything. If they do go back to gold standard they may do like before and make it illegal for us to have our own gold. I am sure you overlooked that. And as far as what we can or cannot do , that remains to be seen. We are at a disadvantage thanks to Palantir, mobile devices and even our vehicles actively spying on us, but we also outnumber the hell out of them. I am of course pleased to see you at least partially recognize who and what trump is. I am happy for that even if we still are not quite together on everything.
"Americans were forced to sell their gold coins and gold bullion to the government for a fixed price of $20.67 per ounce. Anyone caught with gold could face fines and up to 10 years in prison. So, while the U.S. dollar was still backed by gold, American citizens were cut off from the supply."
And not one person in the government is saying he "deserved" to get shot. They are just saying leave law officers to do their work. Protest from afar. If they are illegally detaining you trust me you will get cleared and set free. If they released the Maryland Dad then you as a US citizen will get released as soon as you stop fighting them and just show yiur license or ID. Only American Citizens detained are the ones in the way and when they say please show ID they say "Fuck ICE I dont have to show you!" Ok, they think you are illegal and bring you to the center
While pushing back as the agent is guiding him out of the street with just one hand on his chest.
Looking for a fight. Sad it cost his life, but looking for a fight. And they are finding out that they didn't disarm him and murder him. The male nurses gun was accidentally discharged triggering the rest
Like people keep saying to me - Do you truly trust what the Government/Cops are telling you, or is this likely a fabricated story that no one can really disprove to justify executing someone??
Cops aren't coming to the door arresting you for hate speech. They are arresting illegal alien criminals. You have a liberal government wanting to control you. We have a populist government trying to undo the open boarder policy the prior administration (liberal) allowed. Just like the EU and Britain are doing and going through.
Oh, they aren't? Start speaking against Israel...
Show me one example in the US where that is true.
Well there were incidents in Texas where the cops showed up and wanted to talk about what a dude posted about Israel, I have anecdotally heard of others. But there were many pro-Palestinian students rounded up. So while it isn't widespread (that we know of) it is happening and you can easily look up dozens of videos of Zionists including Randy Fine calling for crackdowns on those of us not supporting Israel. The UK as you know has been even worse.
Students here on a visa protesting against the country hosting them is a violation of their visa. You would not tolerate a guest disrespecting your house after you invited him in for a visit.
The Texas Navy vet exercised his rights and was not arrested. Anecdotal is not evidence of rights violations. And yes, antisemitism allowed on college campuses was a thing.
Your right to protest stops when you infringe upon my rights.
I just believe what "I" see. Both sides of the government here tells us , dont believe what you see with eyes and try to sell you their side of the story. Its not justified at all but could have went another way with different choices from both of them, thats what i see.
Ranger3252Any moron who brings a weapon to an active law enforcement operation is up to no good. Guess what? If the dumbass just stayed home would still be alive. He was an agitator who was refusing to comply with LE orders. No other way to spin that. If you want to protest that’s your right. But, have some common sense and stay a safe distance and don’t bring a fucking gun with you.
Bullshit he wasn't complying with their orders. He created the situation. He wanted a situation.
Yes, shooting someone who in normal situations is not a threat you have no idea what it looked liked to one of the several officers trying to subdue him and secure the gun. In the melee of hands and arms in close quarters from the shooters perspective, who pulled the gun? Who has control of it? It's a perceived threat to life.
It was completely avoidable.
This is what the left is trying to do. Create a situation and blame the other side for the problem. They want revolution. These activists are fodder for Soros and the globalist movement.
The Boston Massacre resulted from a chaotic escalation rather than a calculated, unprovoked attack. A crowd of roughly 300 to 400 colonists surrounded a small group of British soldiers, pelting them with snowballs, ice, and clubs while shouting dares for them to fire.
The violence peaked when Private Hugh Montgomery was struck by a wooden club and knocked down. Upon standing, he fired his musket—likely out of panic or retaliation—prompting other soldiers to fire as well.
Key Dynamics
Crowd Provocation: Colonists were angry over the heavy military presence in Boston and intentionally baited the soldiers to react.
Legal Outcome: John Adams successfully defended the soldiers in court, arguing they acted in self-defense. Most were acquitted, though two were convicted of manslaughter.
Propaganda: Despite the nuanced reality, figures like Paul Revere and Samuel Adams used the term "massacre" and sensationalized imagery to turn public opinion against the British Crown.
The crowd formed spontaneously after an apprentice named Edward Garrick insulted a British sentry, Hugh White, leading to a physical altercation. Church bells were rung—a signal usually reserved for fires—which drew hundreds of townspeople into the streets.
Crispus Attucks is often identified as the one who riled up the mob, as he led a group of sailors armed with clubs to the front of the Custom House to confront the soldiers. Others in the crowd agitated the situation by throwing snowballs, ice, and oyster shells while daring the troops to fire.
The mayor of Minneapolis and tampon Tim are ringing the church bells (main stream media).
That isn't what the law says bud. You are either pro 2A or against. This bootlicking tho is disgusting.
What law? This is a history lesson bud.
Absolutely. If the law allows it, I’m bringing my gun to show n tell at my kids kindergarten, making sure every knows I’m carrying. I’m sure it will be a big hit for the kids and since it’s not illegal nothing bad can happen.