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Hey everyone
I’m looking for some advice on injection site rotation and glute injections. I know we all have different approaches, so I’d appreciate input. I started with delts but switched to ventroglute about three months ago and really preferred it. Since then, I’ve been injecting in the same spot (left glute) every time because I’m left-handed and too shaky to hit the right glute comfortably. How sustainable is sticking to one site like this?
Recently, I upped my dose, so I’m injecting more oil, 0.75ml mon & thru, but I’m considering switching to 0.5ml EOD for a total of 1.5-1.75ml per week. I also tried using a 3ml syringe to make the 0.75ml injections easier, but with the same 27g needle, it didn’t make much difference. I’ve heard some folks avoid quads or use other sites like lats (which seem too awkward for me to attempt). What’s your take on site rotation? Is it absolutely necessary, or can I keep using the same spot if it’s working?
Also, I’ve had some weird experiences with glute injections. I aspirate every time, but it’s hard to tell if there’s blood in the syringe. Today, I noticed a bit of blood in the barrel after injecting, though the site itself didn’t bleed, it left me feeling lightheaded and kinda dizzy. This happened once before when I first started, but it was worse—lots of blood, cold sweats, and I thought I might pass out. Has anyone else experienced this? Any tips for avoiding it or handling the anxiety it causes?
TLDR: Is injection site rotation a must? What’s the best protocol for injecting 1.5-1.75ml per week? Any advice on dealing with blood in the syringe or feeling lightheaded post-injection?
Thanks in advance for the help!
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StrongZoeMInteresting questions! I've had similar experiences with glute injections and site rotation. Hopefully, some folks here can share their insights!
anvilJust use slin pins 29/30 gauge 8mm daily. Easy, no scaring , no injection site pain. Side of thighs, triceps, delts all 3 heads
So for 0.5–0.75cc with a slin pin, we’re definitely not going subq, right? I imagine it might be tricky to actually hit the core of the muscle even if the guy is lean. Also, just curious …how long does it usually take to press the plunger and get that thick oil out? I feel like it must be a patience game at that point, lol.
anvilIts like shallow muscle, takes 1-2 seconds the gauge doesn't matter. It is the diameter of the plunger that creates the issues. If you use .5 cc pin and a 30 gauge will take 1 second, 1 cc barrel 2-3 seconds, 3 cc barrel it won't move.
Yeah so I tried a 3ml barrel with a 27g needle the other day thinking that would help but it was like I could barely push the plunger.. I don't really understand why that is but it seems like that's what your saying right?
PSI. You’re applying the same force on the plunger for each barrel but the diameter of the plunger is significantly larger for each size up barrel, thus lowering the PSI. Remember the radius is squared for your area.
anvilExactly what I am saying brother.
I get it, thanks guys!
I will give this a try ! Thanks for sharing that. Cause my man , reading all these replies I feel like a complete dinosaur here . I’ve been running deep intramuscular shots with 23G–25G pins forever, always aspirate, rotate every spot possible, and I actually like using thicker needles … feels like I’m making sure the oil really goes in there and the sensation it goes quickly, but you brought up a good point !
Like I said might have to give these techniques a try … always open to upgrading the game!
anvilYou have my TT? I have a good video up there.
This will help
https://www.spotinjections.com/index2.htm
Yes thank you
Anytime
Rotate sites and never aspirate. Glutes and delts work best for me. Ventroglutes too but smaller area and more likely to have pip if you don’t get it just right. Avoid quads at all costs!
Why do you never aspirate? just not necessary?
Not necessary per the new science, I do every time for deep IM. If I’m using a slin pin in my delt, I don’t. If you decide to inject quads, which I gave up, I’d recommend aspirating every time, there’s a lot going on vascular wise in the quads.
Out of my curiosity…. But what if ? hitting a vein, a vessel…eventually causing an embolism…
Seems like use slim pin im small volume ed or subq could be helpful in this regard I think…
I second this, I'm also very curious. The times when I had blood in my barrel/maybe hit a vein.. the symptoms I had immediately after pinning (chest pain, cold sweats, dizziness) is this because oil got into my bloodstream and caused an embolism?
Embolism no, but it caused a reaction. My guess would be oil circulated through your lungs. New science isn’t always the best science. Personally I’m a fan of aspiration for deep IM injections, it’s what I was taught in school (30 years ago) and it’s simply an added layer of safety. If you pull blood back, do not inject that barrel. @Pandateson as long as you’re lean enough a 1/2” slin pin straight into the delt is fine, I flex my delt by pushing my arm out against something so I can see the muscle then go into that, no aspiration. I have too much going on in my quads, if I didn’t hit a nerve I’d hit a blood vessel, every other time. Do what works best for you.
Absolutely, brother! Great tip. I’ve always been a fan of deep IM with a 23G … that’s how I was taught many years ago. I like knowing the oil is getting right into the muscle core. I’ve never tried subQ, but that shallow IM style definitely makes sense for certain spots, and I can see how it would add some relief … especially when you’re pinning ED. I’ll be trying this. Thanks !
Yes it’s not necessary
Are you sure you are getting the ventro glute, or do you mean dorsa glute. Ventro glute is super easy to reach. Basically sit down, and it's pretty much right on the side of the front pants pocket. To me it's easier to sit because the muscle relaxes and pushes out a bunch so theirs a big slab to inject
Honestly now that you say that and looking it up again online, I don't know, I might be going into the maximus
Sorry this is a bit off topic but can someone please let me know where i can order pins without a script in nj. I cant remeber the name of last place i used and im running out
Maybe the laws are different in NJ but I use Amazon...
Thank you , your the second person who said that
Sometimes Amazon will not allow delivery. It happens to me here in the South. You can always use Amazon and get vet pins. Never fails
Yeah everything you get off of Amazon is like "for lab use only" or sold "for injecting ink cartridges" and you can tell the quality isn't as good as something like BD medical needles but I've tried several off Amazon and they do the job fine. Just make sure they are individually sealed and sterile.
100% great advice! Individually sealed, sterile, and change tips from draw to inject. Been using Amazon for years now for it.
They also sell actual human insulin syringes. Also I buy needles and syringes for my horses which technically would work too.
Thank you for tbe info
you could still keep delts in rotation. At 6" 150 lbs I'm guessing your pretty boney but if you use slin pins 29 guage 1/2 inch its pretty painless.
Sounds like you are fighting some fears on pinning with your opposite hand. The more you do it, the better you will get. Practice with the cap on, just go through the motions, take the cap off and repeat.
Yeah I cut down over the last 5 months because you guys said I was fat. I did get boney & flat but my blood work improved & my gyno symptoms went away. I'll practice right handed like you suggested.
He’s only 6” tall? Or penis length?
Yes lol
Whathappened2018I do everyday injections. 27g 1/2 inch insulin needle. Painless. I do quads, glute/ventro, lats and delts. Started this 2 months ago. Your levels stay nice and leveled everyday. Less oil per injection.
Yeah I agree that low volume shots like trt is easy & painless EOD or ED.. just more work.
First of all why are you using a 27g needle? That is way too small and takes forever to push the oil through. You should use a 23g and 25g as the absolute smallest needle. Yes you should rotate sites to prevent all the scar tissue from building up. Try your arms like they do at the doctors and then do lats and do quads but more towards the outside of the leg. You are getting blood in the syringe because you hit a vein try to avoid those. EOD pinning and you will get so tired of poking yourself you should try twice a week and leave it at that.
To answer your question I use the 27g because I'm a pussy, I started with 30g and did the EOD injections to just get over the initial hesitation. I could probably go bigger now I'm pretty used to poking myself. I like the twice a week method too doing more volume.
Thanks for the advise and encouragement. I'll start rotating and experimenting with different injection sites.. guess I just needed to hear it from someone else
I use a 30g with zero problems. You should try and avoid absolute statements such as this since in this world personal experiences vary drastically.
Is that because you do not do intramuscular injections?
anvilYou are not lean enough, so these would be subq for you. Your profile says 12% but your profile pic says 18%. I don't mean that offensively but you most likely would miss, and be in the subq layer which still works.
They make 1” 30g needles. But I’m also lean enough to hit IM with 1/2” pins. Nor is there anything wrong with sub Q injections with low volumes.
anvilSame here!
Yeah I have 1/2" and 1.5" 30g needles I did use for a time but with the higher volume it seems to make it a less smooth injection overall.. just spending more time with the needle in and shaking. I'll probably try a 23 or 25.
I've had no problem pinning as much as .6 ml EOD thru a 30G. Takes 15-30 seconds but not really that hard to do. Also did a run of l-carnatine 1ml ED using 30g needles. It's a little quicker than oil but not by much. Unless you are pinning more than 1 ml at a time you don't need to use a 25g or larger. I'm just trying to minimize scar tissue, and to me waiting an extra minute per day is well worth it.
I see where your coming from for sure. When I go back to a cruising dose I'll use the 30 or 27g, but for now I'm gonna try out a 23 or 25.